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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:28 PM
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I think that Casey Anthony is guilty of murder but if you have been watching the trial, she has
the worst defense team I have ever seen in a courtroom. Jose Baez has a ridiculous defense and all of his witnesses help solidify the State's case. The daily watch is almost laughable.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:33 PM
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1. That could be why
Her defense team tried to have her declared incompetent this past weekend...because they realized they're losing.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:36 PM
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2. I think they must be going for an incompetent defense on appeal.
That's the only logical explanation.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:40 PM
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3. My mom LOVES watching "In Session" & she's been telling me about the case.
She doesn't have a high opinion of the defense, either, but she admires Mr. Baez's background -- how he got his GED & went on to become a lawyer.

From what I've seen, it's a very tragic case. Loving parents but broken-hearted grandparents, spoiled defendant. Darling little victim.

At the time of her daughter's death, wasn't Casey 17? And where is the father?
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:43 PM
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4. All of the testimony portrays this girl as a pathological liar with a major disconnect
with reality. I don't know her age but no one has been able to identify a father. She claims he is dead. The defense intimated that maybe the father or the brother was the baby's father. I think DNA proved that incorrect.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:47 PM
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5. If she was promiscuous, she may not know who the father is
but she was the mother for sure, and a pretty awful one at that:grr:

I have not been "following" the case, but I do know one thing..no one protected that baby:cry:
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:34 PM
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13. One thing that struck me when watching her was how robotic she seemed.
Whenever a witness was on the stand, her head would go back & forth toward whoever -- witness or her lawyer, no matter how short the question or response -- was speaking. If that were me being testified against, I'd have my eyes peeled on the witness. With her, it seemed mechanical, with no indication that she was taking anything in & giving thought to it.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:48 PM
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6. No Casey was not 17
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 01:48 PM by Politicalboi
When the baby went missing. I believe she is 22 or 25 now, so she was either 19 or 22 when she killed the baby. And nobody knows who the father was.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:07 PM
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27. Casey was 19 when she got pregnant, 22 when Caylee died.
Casey has always claimed that the father is dead. Some woman in Tennessee claims that her son might be the father. He was a truck driver who went to Orlando on a regular basis. There are pictures of the woman and her son at young ages that do look similar to Caylee, but this woman has not yet submitted DNA for testing. The son is dead and she has no DNA for him, which complicates the testing.

Mr. Baez is slimy - He dropped out of school, was a father at 17 or 18, dumped his wife, joined the Navy. When he got out he went to college, got his law degree in 1997 but was kept from joining the Florida Bar because of past due child support, bankruptcy, and some other questionable things in his life. He was finally admitted to the bar in 2005. Until he got Casey Anthony's case, he was a bottom feeder, picking up clients through word of mouth references at the county jail, which is where Casey got his name. I personally think Jose Baez is in way over his head and despite having the assistance of some experienced attorneys like Cheney Mason, he has screwed up this case very badly.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:11 PM
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28. I'd rather her have him than a Johnny Cochrane. nt
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:15 PM
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30. I'd rather not be in the position of needing a lawyer to defend me
In a potential death penalty case!
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:06 AM
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31. I agree. That's a good reason not to kill people. nt
Edited on Fri Jul-01-11 12:07 AM by Incitatus
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 01:49 PM
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7. Baez is in
way over his head. He is very close to being grounds for an appeal.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:00 PM
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8. here is the link
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:04 PM
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9. I like court.
I've watched some of the trial.

Considering a defense has no obligation to offer up any theory, Baez made a huge error in his opening statement. His efforts have gone downhill since then. There is no way that he should be the lead attorney on this case -- except that he wants to be on-camera, making a name for himself.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:56 PM
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19. Occam's Razor!
Baez has tried to point a finger of guilt at every and anybody that moves. His theory of a defense is so convoluted and disjointed that it is laughable. I feel sorry for anybody who got near this case. They have become ensnared in a nightmare.

He should have just kept hammering away at reasonable doubt instead of throwing whatever he thinks of against the wall. The circumstantial evidence may still be enough to acquit, but his efforts have aided the prosecution IMHO. Pointing out reasonable doubt about her murdering Caylee is what I would have done.

I don't think he has a clue how to wrap up this trial. He keeps all the witnesses going up and down out of the witness chair. He also opened the door to evidence the prosecution wanted in several times. A miracle ain't coming Jose.

He and Casey look like grifters getting ready to hit the road and find some marks.

AND he has made a name for himself. I don't think he wants it.






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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:50 PM
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21. Nail on the head.
Two essential points you make deserve repeating: Baez should have focused entirely upon reasonable doubt; and he hasn't got a clue how to wrap up the defense's case.

The curious thing now is: will Casey take the stand?
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 12:23 AM
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32. Today answered your questions.
The wrap-up, trying to imply that burying family pets equated to how to bury loved ones, was bizarre - just weird. Could not believe a lawyer (no matter how sleazy) would do that. No Casey on the stand - thank goodness.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:55 PM
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23. I almost bumped into Baez in downtown Orlando a few weeks ago
Good thing I didn't say anything to him, otherwise he might have tried to blame me.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:30 PM
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10. Being a child of the 50s I keep thinking...
Shit. Perry Mason would have had this whole thing solved in 30 minutes or less with the perpetrator of the crime jumping up in court to confess...


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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:31 PM
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11. Both sides have done a horrendously bad job... Also, the police
were horrible in that they did not look into Roy Kronk's story (has a witness ever been more unlikeable than that guy?). Also, looking at the media (who convicted Casey months ago) and the replies/call ins/internet posts-it is almost impossible for Casey to receive a fair trial.

Also, George Anthony was a sympathetic figure today, says the media. I would say...erm...no. They talk about how Casey can cry on cue. I think she learned it from her father. Moving on, I am sucked in by this case (watch it while at work) and it is a tragic illustration of a messed up judicial system. With no smoking gun, the worst Casey should receive is manslaughter, regardless of what I think happened.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:37 PM
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15. the prosecution seems to think
the duct tape, chloroform in the car and internet searches equal a smoking gun. You disagree. Thus they present the evidence to a jury and lets them decide. It's almost like a trial.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:42 PM
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16. The defense ripped holes in all of those claims. Pretty believable holes.
Both sides have been a joke and a half. It's almost more like a circus.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:45 PM
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17. LOL---
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 03:41 PM by trumad
Casey killed her kid--- threw her in the trunk then the woods, and got a tattoo.

She's a pathological douchebag who deserves to spend the rest of her life in prison.

Anyone who thinks she's innocent is a fucking dumbass.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:47 PM
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18. LOL...
Did I say I thought she was innocent? Just like the rest of society, anyone who thinks people with questions and opinions that differ from theirs are assholes... well they are whole asses. :hi:


This trial is a travesty, thanks to our media. We'll never know what happened.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 03:42 PM
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20. Sure we do
she killed her kid.

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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 10:54 PM
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22. Got any evidence?
If you have any evidence showing exactly how she killed her daughter, I'm sure the prosecution would love to hear from you. Better hurry up though, since the trial is going to be wrapping up soon.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 05:43 AM
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25. Yep---been watching it for the last couple of weeks.
Plenty of it.

I guess you think OJ was innocent as well.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 10:03 PM
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26. Really...
Okay then, answer the following questions, because the prosecution sure hasn't.

1. Can you prove the exact cause of death? I mean real proof, not just what you've heard on the internet or seen on TV. Keep in mind that the Medical Examiner couldn't prove an exact cause of death, and the prosecution never proved an exact cause of death.

2. Can you prove the exact time of death, or even prove what day the death occurred? The prosecution never did.

I love how you automatically lump me in the "I guess you think OJ was innocent" crowd, simply because I understand how the judicial system works, because I understand that it's the prosecution's job to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It's the defense team's job to try to introduce reasonable doubt. As inept as Jose Baez has been, there have been a few key points where he's been able to introduce some reasonable doubt, or at least present some possible alternatives that the prosecution really hasn't been able to disprove.

So you've been watching the case for the last couple of weeks, bravo. I guess that makes you an expert on the case, right? I actually live within walking distance of the Anthony house, I've been following this entire saga very closely from the very beginning nearly 3 years ago. We've been subjected to every single development and nuance in our local media for the past few years, I've seen every single up and down in this case. So I think I might know just a little bit about what's going on here.

You know, it is possible to think that someone is guilty, but also acknowledge that the prosecution hasn't done a very good job of proving someone's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:40 AM
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35. In agreement with you, there's plenty of physical evidence to tie her
to the murder of her little girl. As a Floridian I've been following from the beginning. No DP for her, just life in prison.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:29 PM
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38. The prosecution
has done a solid job of proving their case.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 11:15 PM
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29. wow...
how do you assign only manslaughter to a deliriously happy mother dancing just days after her daughter went missing?

That's not something I could get past...ever.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 01:03 AM
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33. How? Because she's a seriously messed up kid from a seriously
messed up family. That is how. The state has not proven murder. As stated, the ones who truly loved this little girl will never get a final answer on what happened to her.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:38 AM
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34. That is your opinion...
as a Floridian who has been watching the proceedings, I have seen more than enough physical evidence presented by the prosecution to convict of first degree murder. Not the death penalty, but prison for life.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 10:40 AM
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36. Being a Floridian doesn't change things.
We are all watching the same proceedings.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:15 PM
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37. What was the cause of death?
All we have is speculation that it was suffocation by duct tape. There is no proof, they can't even determine actual cause of death.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:33 PM
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39. They don't have to.
The obvious example for those who don't understand this was the Scott Peterson case. There are, of course, numerous other cases of people being convicted for murder -- including where their victims' bodies were never found.

I think some of the comments on this thread provide evidence of the benefits of people watching TRU-TV, etc. A general familiarity with the legal system is a good thing. It is a branch of our government.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:31 PM
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12. She does have Lawyer Gaga!
If only Lawyer Gaga would speak up....
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 02:35 PM
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14. or that his client is more interested in taking down the rest of the family
than being found innocent. It seems like he's proven the whole family lies and apparently that was really important to his client. Has that put enough doubt in the jury's mind to get off the murder 1 charge??

If the family wasn't such bad liars I imagine people wouldn't watch so much. While other people think he's doing terrible, it kind of feels to me like he's giving the kind of defense a narcissistic, psychotic chronic liar wants. Lots of wild allegation, lots of smoke, lots of stories that you are just suppose to believe.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:04 PM
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24. anybody who is calling for her death.... nm


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Philippine expat Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-11 08:39 PM
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40. If ever someone deserved the DP it is this woman n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-11 01:53 PM
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41. This ended up being wrong.
:dunce:
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