Obama kicked ass today.

He was dead on at the press conference--- he had so many read between the line comments... corporate jets, oil companies...

He ain't caving....

:thumbsup:
:hi:

:shrug:

And I'm optimistic that it is happening. Obama and the Dems have alternatives if they have the spines to use them.

It's always been an issue of what can pass in Congress. There is no special kung-fu "spine" maneuver that changes parliamentary rules.

And Obama DID indeed kick-ass today.

... they had majorities 2 to 3 times the size of what Obama had even in 2009-2010 -- and with all that, they didn't do as good a job keeping their own caucuses together as Obama did.

the majorities he had actually had a lot of southern Democrats which were like Republicans at the time and they opposed the Civil Rights Act. With all the said, I'm not a big fan of LBJ.

But that was back when we had two parties and, distinct from that, two political ideologies in this country. That was also when the idea of a southern Republican was absurd, and New England was still the base of the party.

and we'll see plenty of "spine!"

No kidding! I'm expecting the shit storm in 3... 2... 1...

hic... hic... hic...

...It could be that he was, to quote Shakespeare, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." I'll believe it when I see it.

:rofl:

No other explanation for it. Sorta like the pukes want a real War on Christmas so they can lock and load.

Pathetic, but predictable.

:thumbsup:

one, two, three .... oops too late, they're already here. LOL

It didn't take long at all, did it! :eyes:

There must be a warning system that alerts them whenever a "positive" thread about the president is posted!

And if he doesn't cave, you can thank the pressure the base has been putting on him since the Bush tax cut debacle in late 2010.

We've gotta keep the pressure on him. This is much too important.

could have handled the expiration of the taxcuts better.

I don't think he could have handled it worse.

how would you have handled it better?

Please be specific.

I've mentioned what needed to be done so many times in the past. I have no interest in carrying out a back-and-forth conversation with you about this. I have no interest in wasting my time.

As another DUer mentioned few weeks ago, it's like smashing your head against a brick wall.

No thanks. :hi:

It shouldn't be that hard to explain how you would have done it better. I suspect your "posting history" doesn't square with the actual facts.

but to be relieved, I want to see the end result. I've disagreed with the end result of negotiations too much in the past. It's better to have some short term trouble with no debt ceiling raise than to make the wrong decisions long term for our country.

I do feel the pressure of his base forced him to remove 30,000 troops on Afghanistan over the next year. I don't think Obama would have otherwise. He was all about expanding the war in Afghanistan.

I also believe that criticism from his base has caused him to take a more forceful stand in the debt ceiling talks than he otherwise would have. He saw the backlash that happened after he caved on the Bush tax cuts.

The base just has to keep the pressure on him to prevent further concessions to the GOP.

You might wonder why so much failure - where's the pressure to end the wars right fuckin' now, and so on?

The base has no interest in these imperialist wars that waste trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives.

Obama hasn't ended the wars yet so we have to keep the pressure on him.

The base disappoints me, having failed to use their influence to pressure Obama to end the wars already.

The base is going overboard here. As if they have some magical powers. In that case, why are they any Republicans in office? Why hasn't the base pressured Lieberman to agree to a public option? Why didn't the base pressure Obama into repealing DOMA already?

Why does Obama only get one or two years, while the base gets to take its time?

That just can't be. I read so many posts here yesterday saying he WOULD cave, how can he NOT cave when so many said he would? :sarcasm:

Could it be the right wing has infiltrate DU and is spreading right wing BS and lies to try and get DU to dump the president? Say it ain't so! :evilgrin:

Obama supporters accusing others of being right-wingers is truly hilarious.

Could it be the right wing has infiltrate DU and is spreading right wing BS and lies to try and get DU to dump the president? Say it ain't so

They were mostly here all along just THINKING they were progressives. Then along comes this guy that doesn't provide individual ponies and....well you know the rest. :rofl:

But be careful, praising Obama is frowned upon by DU these days.

"... where's THIS Obama been all these years?"

I thought he seemed more riled up than usual. Though if he said, "corporate jets" one more time, I was about to get the giggles.

Seriously, what's different? He's saying the exact same things he's been saying the whole time.

I especially loved the part about Sasha and Malia's homework. :D

It was a good press conference. Now, it's time to deal with the fussy babies in Congress ... sigh!

Cutting SS and Medicare is a sad moment for any Dem.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/29/2291188/obama-congress-should-extend-payroll.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1386777

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4900838

What is your 'imagination' that this is somehow not happening. Any links?

But hey, If you think burying your head in the sand and ignoring the news sources is appropriate, why are you even in this thread? :shrug:

I asked you for supporting links to your assertion that these things were not happening. Guess you had none.

Quote Judas Priest: You got another thing coming!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K7CNzFhnCE

to block walk, phone bank and stretch our near empty wallets for cuts to SS and medicare.

He obviously knows what needs to be done if he can articulate it so well. The only problem--we've seen him articulate these kinds of issues before, only to cave when it mattered.

I would love to be as unrestrained in my joy as some posters on this thread, but it was only a press conference. I hope my reluctance is proven to be unnecessary. We'll see.

said...because his words and actions never mesh, so it's pointless to say he did well or not.

I do understand the instinct to fling bile at someone you dislike,
but at some point you must acknowledge diminishing returns.

Rec

:) :kick:

Now do something, Mr. Obama.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice a rook to get a checkmate. We'll find out soon enough how well he played.

about time.

I tried ROKU and the net and found nada.

Guess you were dead damn wrong.

and I was watching.

But I'll settle for what I can get. Sad truth of the matter.

I will never facilitate by not voting or voting for someone else who can't win a Repuke taking the office.

.. until he DOES something other than talk. He's always good at talk. Once he has caved he will use the talk as proof that he fought.

I'm not buying it. Unless he gets some revenue in this deal it is a fail.

And it's got RECS too??! :wow: :wow: :wow: What the HELL is going on around here??!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ja8fDUcJnOLTx16d5-713qt3R-Dw?docId=f51d4dda259f44978dcc04d36d440dcb

Example 1:
OBAMA: "What I have done — and this is unprecedented, by the way, no administration's done this before — is I've said to each agency, don't just look at current regulations or don't just look at future regulations, regulations that we're proposing, let's go backwards and look at regulations that are already on the books, and if they don't make sense, let's get rid of them. And we are in the process of doing that, and we've already identified changes that could potentially save billions of dollars for companies over the next several years."

THE FACTS: Plenty of other presidents have gone on the hunt for needless federal regulations.

Clinton gave the job of "reinventing government" to his vice president, Gore, who wielded the hammer on David Letterman's "Late Show" in 1993 to demonstrate silly federal rules on ashtray safety. Clinton signed an executive order directing agencies to eliminate half of all internal regulations, and a companion order taking aim at regulations that affect people outside of government.

- see AP link for more fact checks

Al, Rachel, LO, Tweety all did a better job.

And he was funny while doing it.
That was the killer part.

"You know what has to be done. Just do it."

tha I'll be happy to give him a big :thumbsup: until then ... eh whatever.