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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 04:57 PM
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Why Do People Believe Stupid Stuff, Even When They're Confronted With the Truth?
The "backfire effect" helps explain how strange, ancient and kooky beliefs resist science, reason and reportage.

The Truth: When your deepest convictions are challenged by contradictory evidence, your beliefs get stronger.

>snip

In 2006, Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler at The University of Michigan and Georgia State University created fake newspaper articles about polarizing political issues. The articles were written in a way which would confirm a widespread misconception about certain ideas in American politics. As soon as a person read a fake article, researchers then handed over a true article which corrected the first. For instance, one article suggested the United States found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. The next said the U.S. never found them, which was the truth. Those opposed to the war or who had strong liberal leanings tended to disagree with the original article and accept the second. Those who supported the war and leaned more toward the conservative camp tended to agree with the first article and strongly disagree with the second. These reactions shouldn’t surprise you. What should give you pause though is how conservatives felt about the correction. After reading that there were no WMDs, they reported being even more certain than before there actually were WMDs and their original beliefs were correct.

They repeated the experiment with other wedge issues like stem cell research and tax reform, and once again, they found corrections tended to increase the strength of the participants’ misconceptions if those corrections contradicted their ideologies. People on opposing sides of the political spectrum read the same articles and then the same corrections, and when new evidence was interpreted as threatening to their beliefs, they doubled down. The corrections backfired.

Once something is added to your collection of beliefs, you protect it from harm. You do it instinctively and unconsciously when confronted with attitude-inconsistent information.

More at the link: http://www.alternet.org/media/151426/why_do_people_believe_stupid_stuff,_even_when_they're_confronted_with_the_truth/

Not surprising at all.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 04:59 PM
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1. If they hear it on FOX or from Limpballs, they believe ANYTHING.
Well, the dumbfucks do.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:36 PM
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15. Hey it's like Stalin said - you repeat the lie long enough and it becomes fact.
Of course the Limbaughs, Coulters, and Hannitys of this country latched onto that concept and took it to whole new levels.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:01 PM
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2. Sounds like a case study of OxyRush listeners.



The Shittoheads will believe every filthy lie and innuendo that comes out of his putrid sewer hole.



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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:03 PM
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3. I like the part which states if you believe it in your heart nothing anyone says
will matter, as a matter of fact you will believe harder.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:14 PM
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4. Because if they learn that their belief is false...
their worldview is changed. They want to protect their worldview, even if the truth is shown right in front of their face.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:16 PM
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5. It's gays, dark people and liberals fault. Nothing else matters.
:sarcasm:
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:19 PM
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6. Religion as well. nt
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cilla4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 11:41 PM
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32. 'Zactly - some religions, anyway --
brainwashing. Every been in a fundie church?
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:19 PM
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7. It's true and I have no idea why. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:20 PM
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:20 PM
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9. You have INVESTED yourself in what you believe...
It takes a very open-minded person to change that reaction.

The fearful, close-minded people cannot do it.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:23 PM
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11. We all seek information that confirms our world view. Reject was doesn't fit, rationalize things
that do.

It's human. We can only try to be as open-minded as possible. But we still have our biases.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:31 PM
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12. True. People tend to go with comfort. We need more discomfort in order to be a better
society.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:21 PM
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10. What's interesting is that you won't find too many cases (as in none) of liberals believing a lie.
Why is that? I guess because we have to accept the truth and move on when our believes are challenged with contradictory facts. I really can't remember one example of liberals sticking with a position that is contradicted by facts. We may take a position before all the facts are in, but once the facts are in, we don't refuse to believe the truth even if it doesn't comport with our basic belief system - the Weiner story might be an example.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:34 PM
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14. you can't honestly believe that, I know I don't
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 05:35 PM by Motown_Johnny
and that proves that one of us believes a lie (assuming you do believe it)
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:52 PM
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19. I could be wrong, but I can't think of examples where our side holdsas
widespread belief in something that's not true. Since you disagree with my observation, please help me with some examples.

Here's a few that come to me on the Right-

* taxcuts stimulate the economy.
* there were WMD in Iraq.
* Gay marriage will destroy heterosexual marriages
* illegal immigrants cause a disproportionate amount of crime
* Obama is a Kenyan


The fact is that a lot of these assertions are driven from the top down. And then becomes part of their base's conventional thinking, even if it's not true ("Al Gore said he invented the internet"). I see no comparable misinformation media orchestration on the Left. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, though. Perhaps that's why they are more susceptible to believe the lies because they are so well choreographed?


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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:48 PM
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17.  What about liberals still believing the official version of 9/11, though?
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 05:48 PM by Kaleko
How many still believe that Osama bin Laden masterminded all of these attacks and succeeded spectacularly?

No, the bigger the lie, the more people tend to swallow it without further questioning.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:52 PM
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18. There are facts supporting the "official version" of 9/11, unlike the...
"9/11 was an inside job" nonsense.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:57 PM
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20. There are people all over the political spectrum that have reservations
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 05:57 PM by Old and In the Way
about the Bush-Cheney 9/11 Commission story. Although there are some here that are devoted to making sure it's not discussed on this board. :rofl:
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:00 PM
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21. Which is how you were able to discuss it on this board...
nonetheless.

No one is "suppressing" the "9/11 truth movement".
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:18 PM
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25. Yes, it is considered too dangerous to tackle the really, really big lies
as long as we're all supposed to support the Democratic Party here, no matter how often it is betraying us by colluding with the lying Liars who profit from lying to us.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:17 PM
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30. Why don't you...
point out a few of these "really, really big lies"?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:17 PM
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24. LOL. Try these.

*Free Trade is GOOD for America.

*The Wall Street Bailout saved America.

*Obama did not run on a Public Option.

The War in Iraq is over.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:19 PM
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26. I see a lot of people being extremely non-savvy about news sources.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:20 PM
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27. Even a cursory examination of the history of the Left
shows the error of that position. Hell, ten minutes on this very board shows that doesn't bear out.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:25 PM
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29. Hope that was satire. It's hard to tell sometimes these days.
Edited on Wed Jun-29-11 06:27 PM by NYC Liberal
Unless, of course, you alter the definition of a "liberal" to include "one who doesn't believe lies." Then, by definition, no liberal could ever believe a lie or they wouldn't be a liberal.

"No liberal has ever believed a lie"
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:11 AM
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33. It's not very often that you see a DUer post that reading a second article changed
their mind about something.

Most of us seem to read two conflicting articles and believe the one that is consistent with our preexisting belief even if the "conflicting" article has "facts" in it.

That must be human nature, as the OP attempts to prove. I agree with you that liberals ignore facts much less often than conservatives (which is why republican debates seem to "fact-free" zones), but there's always room for improvement.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:32 PM
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13. IMO it is a form of dementia and should be treated as such
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia

^snip^

Dementia (taken from Latin, originally meaning "madness", from de- "without" + ment, the root of mens "mind") is a serious loss of cognitive ability in a previously unimpaired person


Dementia is a non-specific illness syndrome (set of signs and symptoms) in which affected areas of cognition may be memory, attention, language, and problem solving.







When you consider the addition issue of Conservatives having more extreme fear reactions it would seem to me that conservatism (at least extreme conservatism) should be considered a mental health issue.


That way we can lock them all away in hospitals paid for by the socialist health care reform act (just a little something for the trolls, if I added a sarcasm emote it would just prove to them that I was serious).
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 05:48 PM
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16. Why do people sit for hours throwing money into video slot machines?
That has me baffled to no end.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:12 PM
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22. That would explain the crazy creationists...
...who deny visible evidence of evolution that's right there in front of them. It's like putting a red block of wood in front of them and measuring it and weighing it and showing how it measures, say, 3 inches square per side and weighs 7 ounces, and they will deny the numbers and tell you it's not red, and furthermore not even made of wood. And it's right there in front of them and they can touch it and weigh it and measure it and set it on fire for themselves, if they were so inclined, but they won't. That's what arguing with a crazy creationist is like.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:13 PM
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23. We live in a country infected with cognitive dissonance
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 06:21 PM
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28. Meh. More like a planet.
Americans aren't unique in their inability to adjust to reality.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-29-11 07:21 PM
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31. Can you name a technologically advanced society
that is equally ill-informed about generally accepted "realities" as the American public?



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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:19 AM
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34. I've had my own thoughts about this lately:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-11 06:50 AM
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35. It's true on this site as well

Every time an Obama basher on this site is confronted with the truth of all the positive things that Obama has done, they dig in deeper and bash him more.

They ridicule the "list", even though the list shows plenty of REAL positive changes in the past 2.5 years.

But the "list" goes against their preconceived notions, so they bash it even more.

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