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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:27 PM
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Obama calls the government insurance programs...
..of Social Security and Medicare by the same name that the rightwing gives them: "entitlements".

WTF is wrong with him?
:mad:
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:31 PM
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1. It's not the GOP's word - SS et al. have long been known as "entitlement" programs
Sadly, the word "entitlement" has suffered the same fate as "liberal".
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:32 PM
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2. Why do democrats keep asking "why" Obama does what he does?? It IS what it IS...primary anyone?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 10:34 PM
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16. Why is he logical? Why does he use the word "entitlement" correctly?
Only ignorant people -- including many Rethugs -- don't realize that Medicare is called an entitlement because people who receive it earned it by virtue of their hard work. It's not charity -- they're entitled to it.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 10:38 PM
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18. +1
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:32 PM
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They are entitlements. We pay into them all of our working lives. We are then ENTITLED
Edited on Wed Jul-06-11 09:32 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
to receive benefits!

Nothing wrong with him. The GOP wingnuts have turned the word "entitlement" into a prejorative, a.k.a., "welfare."
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:34 PM
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5. So do you call your car insurance an entitlement?
I'll bet you don't although I'm sure you feel entitled to benefits if you get in an accident. Social Security and Medicare are insurance for pensions and health care in old age, just like your life insurance is, and that's how they should be referred to.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:48 PM
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12. A little different. Car insurance is a luxury, not a necessity because most people don't need cars.
Most people need health care or will need health care at some point in their lives.

Here's the difference between you and me: I don't give the wingnuts power by using their own rhetoric against Democrats.

These ARE indeed ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS. Sorry! That's how they were conceived; that's what they are.

When people work and pay into the system, yes indeed, they are ENTITLED to receive benefits. That's the truth and no wingnut/Teabagger hate speech can ever change that fact.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:15 AM
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23. Well, if you use the word entitlement you are playing
into the hands, rhetoric and code talk of the Republicans, who are today probably going to get them gift wrapped in exchange for raising the debt ceiling or so the liberal talk radio is asserting. I'm stunned that Obama has offered these "entitlements" for deep cuts. Good work liberals in letting "entitlement" become a dirty word alongside "liberal".

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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:29 AM
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27. IT. IS. AN. ENTITLEMENT!! Period! End of story!!!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 10:32 PM
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15. No, we call it insurance. Medicare is called an entitlement to differentiate it from CHARITY.
It isn't a gift, or charity to its receivers: it's something they worked for and earned: thus they're entitled to it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:16 AM
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24. In RWing speak "entitlement" equals "charity".
Good luck with owning it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:32 PM
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3. If you haven't figured out that he's corporate all the way
by now, I don't know what to tell you. At the beginning of the health care debate, he called the private health care industry (insurance, PhRMA etc.) one sixth of the economy and that it couldn't be messed with. That told me back then that industry will always come first with his White House and everything else second.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:33 PM
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4. He probably didn't mean what the GOP does, though.
At least, I hope not...........
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:34 PM
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6. Acts like a duck and talks like a duck
Edited on Wed Jul-06-11 09:35 PM by somone
The answer is obvious

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 10:35 PM
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17. He acts like someone who actually knows what the word means.
Not surprising, because he's an intelligent, well-educated man.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:37 PM
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7. Oh yeah? Well we call the reform of these "entitlements" corruption.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:39 PM
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8. It seems to be his natural language.
Stealth candidate.
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Azathoth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:47 PM
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11. Yes, as a lawyer, legally correct terminology probably is his natural language
:eyes:
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:24 AM
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26. I call crock.
You just complain because it was a negative comment on Obama.

The upshot of your post would be that you, too, would think of medicare and social security as "entitlement" programs. It is a crock that you would call that a "legal" term.

Shame.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:40 PM
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9. we're entitled to them
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SoutherDem Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:43 PM
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10. I Agree, but what is an Entitlement???
I agree in principle! The Republican's have turned that into a term which means taking from middle and upper class and giving it to those who didn't plan or who are lazy. A couple of Webster's definitions are, "a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract or a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group". Isn't that what it is?
I agree with you, President Obama really should have used different words all though "technically" he was correct.
May be we should use the term using Webster's other definition "the belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges". Which is what the rich feels.
Democrats need to use the "King's Language" in the same way as the Republicans do.

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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 09:49 PM
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13. Your falling into the Republican trap
of turning words into swears, they did it with liberal, they tried with Obamacare and now entitlements.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 10:29 PM
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14. What is wrong with the word? It means that it's NOT CHARITY: it's something people are ENTITLED to.
Edited on Wed Jul-06-11 10:29 PM by pnwmom
If they were calling it charity, there would be reason to complain.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:08 PM
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19. Definition of entitlement program
An entitlement is a guarantee of access to benefits based on established rights or by legislation. A "right" is itself an entitlement associated with a moral or social principle, such that an "entitlement" is a provision made in accordance with legal framework of a society. Typically, entitlements are laws based on concepts of principle ("rights") which are themselves based in concepts of social equality or enfranchisement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entitlement



ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM
A federal program that guarantees a certain level of benefits to persons or other entities who meet requirements set by law, such as Social Security, farm price supports or unemployment benefits. It thus leaves no discretion with Congress on how much money to appropriate, and some entitlements carry permanent appropriations.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e081.htm



entitlement program
Part of Speech: n
Definition: a government program guaranteeing certain benefits to a segment of the population; the right to benefits offered by a government, esp. as compensation

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entitlement+program



Jeebus, people: don't you know what the legal and government definition of entitlement means? I suppose you also thought "the cock crowed twice" was cause for giggling.


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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-06-11 11:58 PM
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20. Entitlement means "we own title to the resources" - different than charity
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:13 AM
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21. The Supreme Court ruled in 1960 that no one has a legal right to SS benefits.
"The Supreme Court has established that no one has any legal right to Social Security benefits. The Court decided, in Flemming v. Nestor (1960), that "entitlement to Social Security benefits is not a contractual right". In that case, Ephram Nestor, a Bulgarian immigrant to the United States who made contributions for covered wages for the statutorily required "quarters of coverage" was nonetheless denied benefits after being deported in 1956 for being a member of the Communist party."

"To engraft upon the Social Security System a concept of "accrued property rights" would deprive it of the flexibility and <363 U.S. 603, 604> boldness in adjustment to ever-changing conditions which it demands and which Congress probably had in mind when it expressly reserved the right to alter, amend or repeal any provision of the Act. Pp. 610–611."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_%28United_States%29#The_Supreme_Court_and_the_evolution_of_Social_Security
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:13 AM
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22. So fucking what? The right wing also demonizes the word liberal the SAME EXACT WAY.
You gonna stop using the word liberal now to describe yourself?

These were called "entitlements" before it became a right wing perjorative. Entitlements are good. And the word entitlement is good. And I'll use it in the correct context. And I won't give 2 shits how some dumb right wing Rush listener uses the word. I'll tell them I stand for defending and strengthening ENTITLEMENTS and I'll be proud of it.
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 08:16 AM
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25. Before long, he'll start using the term "Obamacare", "illegals", "socialism", and "libruls"
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 08:17 AM by Shagbark Hickory
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:32 AM
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28. ok, this is just outrage for the sake out outrage. look up the word in the dictionary.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:34 AM
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29. He rushes to validate pretty much every right wing meme on earth.
Schools are failing, teachers are lazy, the 60s were a time of excess, "free trade," etc.

It's hard to think of a single right wing talking point that he has not embraced.
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