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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:32 AM
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why would Saudi Arabia need 200+ new tanks?

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MG08Ak01.html


Berlin-Saudi tank deal 'cynical'


A decision by the German government to permit the export of up to 200 state-of-the-art armored tanks to Saudi Arabia, despite the Wahhabi monarchy's human-rights record and its recent violent intervention in Bahrain to repress the popular rebellion against the local ruling family there, illustrates the rhetorical nature of Western support to the so-called Arab democratic spring.

The German ruling coalition, formed by the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and the Liberal Democratic Party (FDP), unofficially confirmed on July 6 that it has approved the export of 200 Leopard tanks to Saudi Arabia, for an estimated value of 1.8 billion euros (US$2.6 billion).

Anonymous official sources, quoted by numerous German news outlets, said that the delivery of the Leopard tanks to Saudi Arabia was supported by the governments of the United States and Israel.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:48 AM
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1. Well, since the F-16s that we sold them are currently helping to put down
the protest in Bahrain, the tanks will probably be needed for their own people.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:54 AM
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2. Yemen comes to mind, among other things.
Internal repression is a big job for them too.
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:30 PM
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5. Iran
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:55 AM
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3. Syria is proving that tanks are fairly effective against civilians. The Saudis may see
the handwriting on the wall.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:36 PM
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8. that's what they're buying them for
Saudi Arabia's #1 enemy is potential street protesters.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 06:37 AM
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14. Absolutely correct.
They've seen what has happened in Egypt, Libya, and Syria, and tyrants do not give up power easily.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:06 PM
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4. Bahrain
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:31 PM
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6. To protect their declining supplies of oil.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:34 PM
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7. Saudis buy a lot of military hardwear, but getting good use out of them is another story
THese are very good tanks, from what I heard near the equal of M1A2. BUt Saudis, on average, are lazy. And do not take direction well. (TOtally broad brush but talk to people who have worked and lived in the region.) These might be for mercenaries.
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:50 PM
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11. Basicly true...
...about all the Arab armies. The only one with any sort of respectable showing in recent history is the Jordanians - and they too were ripped to pieces by the IDF. Still incompetents with good hardware are somewhat better than incompetents without hardware (Iraq being the exception where a tank division managed to get itself surrounded by foot infantry and lost all it's equipment intact to the Iranians).
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VeryConfused Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:40 PM
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9. To defend against the growing threat of Israeli terrorism?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 05:33 AM
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16. Saudi Arabian tanks are going to roll into the West Bank?
Or are you suggesting Israel is planning an attack against the Saudis?
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CJvR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:44 PM
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10. Realpolitik!
Jihadist Iran + instability in Shia Iraq + strategicly inmportant Saudi-Arabia (who, despite being unpleasant fundies themselves, are rich and currently not openly hostile) = A good deal for us.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:58 PM
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12. This graphic from Der Spiegel clearly shows why the tank deal is important.
Big graphic, otherwise I would have tried to post it.
You have to scroll just a teeny bit when the page comes up.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/bild-768368-225236.html
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 04:59 AM
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13. Saudis "were infuriated earlier this year when President Obama sided with the protesters in Egypt"..
"The sale could also be seen as an effort to placate the Saudis, who were infuriated earlier this year when President Obama sided with the protesters in Egypt and helped to usher Hosni Mubarak from power and again when NATO began its air campaign against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi in Libya."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/world/europe/07germany.html?scp=1&sq=germany%20tanks%20saudi%20arabia&st=cse

I figured that the Saudi royal family had to be upset when Mubarak didn't (or couldn't) use his military to put down protests, but had not see confirmation of that. Likewise the willingness of the Libyan government to use its military against protesters in order to retain power must have heartened the Saudis, since their royal family fully intends to do the same. They must have been furious when the UN intervened to short circuit that strategy.

While they may be worried about Iranian influence in Syria, they are undoubtedly taking notes about the tactics that the Syrian government is using as it employs its military power against civilians. The Saudis know (or, at the very least, fear) that their day will come and these German tanks will come in handy.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-11 10:22 AM
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15. kicking because that's alot of damn tanks
nt
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