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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:39 AM
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Bernie Sanders tweets: On SS surplus
http://twitter.com/#!/SenatorSanders
Social Security has a $2.6 trillion surplus and hasn't contributed 1 cent to our deficit.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:40 AM
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1. Thank you Bernie. nt
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:40 AM
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2. BERNIE SANDERS FOR PRESIDENT.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:56 AM
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13. God, yes!!!
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 07:15 PM
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26. Isn't he Independent? If an Independent were to run for President, who would pay for it? Maybe
at this particular point in time; we could get enough fed-up voters to make a statement?

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 07:20 PM
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27. can we recruit him to run?
I would *so* vote for him
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:41 AM
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3. I also thank Bernie..nt
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 11:42 AM by Stuart G
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:44 AM
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4. THAT is whose name I will write in
when I vote if Obama dares to touch SS or Medicare.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:44 AM
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5. Me too.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:46 AM
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7. +1,00,000,000 votes!!!
I'll do the same as will many others!!!

:kick: & recommend.

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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:46 AM
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8. Word
I'll write it in regardless.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:50 AM
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11. +1 n/t
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:36 PM
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17. Yup, me, too. Absolutely.
K&R
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:45 AM
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6.  Bernie
<3
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:46 AM
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9. Yes, he is correct, but wait for the comments that tell us
he is wrong, the SS fund is gone.

This I hope will be a huge fight. Democrats simply cannot allow this to happen. The lies, the deceptions, the attempt to claim that SS had anything to do with the deficit. Any Democrat who says that, is NOT a democrat.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:47 AM
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10. Bernie rawks! Another tweet:

SenatorSanders Bernie Sanders
Over the past 10 years, the median family income has declined by more than $2,500. #SharedSacrifice
2 hours ago
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:53 AM
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Spot.on. Nt
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jimmyflint Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 11:53 AM
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12. Good,no reason to cut it . Now end these wars,
And scale the military back to Clinton levels to save money/lives. We could also cut TSA,ATF,and DEA budgets by 50% to save money imo.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:09 PM
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14. Bernie for the win.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:33 PM
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15. Social Security Is Irrelevant to Deficit Economics. Galbraith tried to tell them this.
in clear terms in public government testimony.

http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/meetings/public-forum/additional/James_Galbraith.pdf



Social Security is a transfer program. It is not a spending program. A dollar "spent" on Social Security does not directly increase GDP. It merely reallocates a dollar from one potential final consumer (a taxpayer) to another (a retiree, a disabled person, or a survivor). It also reallocates resources within both communities (taxpayers and beneficiaries). Specifically, benefits flow to the elderly and to survivors who do not have families that might otherwise support them, and costs are imposed on working people and other taxpayers who do not have dependents in their own families. Both types of transfer are fair and effective, greatly increasing security and reducing poverty -- which is why Social Security and Medicare are such successful programs.

Transfers of this kind are also indefinitely sustainable -- in fact there can intrinsically be no problem of sustainability with transfer programs. Apart from their effect on individual security, a true transfer program uses (by definition) no net economic resources. The only potential macroeconomic danger from "excessive" transfers is that the transfer function may be badly managed, leading to excessive total demand and to inflation. But there is no risk of this so long as the financial crisis remains uncured. Under present conditions Social Security and Medicare are bulwarks for stabilizing a total demand that would otherwise be highly deficient.

Similarly, cutting Social Security benefits, in particular, merely transfers real resources away from the elderly and toward taxpayers, and away from the poor toward those less poor. One can favor or oppose such a move on its own merits as social policy -- but one cannot argue that it would save real resources that are otherwise being "consumed" by the government sector.

The conclusion to be drawn is that Social Security should in any event be off the agenda of your Commission, as it is a transfer program and not a program of public spending in the economic sense. In particular it does not use capital resources and will not drive up interest rates. This is true whether the "Social Security System" is in internal balance or not.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1428936&mesg_id=1429337

We're being hosed.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:16 PM
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18. This needs a thread of its own.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 01:20 PM by RC
"Conflicts of interest constitute the fourth major problem. The fact that the Commission has
accepted support from Peter G. Peterson, a man who has for decades conducted a relentless
campaign to cut Social Security and Medicare, raises the most serious questions. Quite apart
from the merits of Mr. Peterson’s arguments, this act must be condemned. A Commission
serving public purpose cannot accept funds or other help from a private party with a strong
interest in the outcome of that Commission’s work Your having done so is a disgrace."


AND --

"According to a new IMF staff analysis, fully half of the large increase in budget deficits in
major economies around the world is due to collapsing tax revenues, and a further large share to
low (often negative) growth in relation to interest payments on existing debt. Less than ten
percent is due to increased discretionary public expenditure, as in stimulus packages.
This point is important because it shows that the claim that deficits have resulted from
“overspending” is false, both in the United States and abroad."


You're correct, we are being hosed.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:41 PM
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20. Right here. Last June. A couple times since as well.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-11 01:42 PM by chill_wind
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x569194

We've had a long time for his message (and that of Dean Baker and others) to be absorbed, but it hasn't been. Not at any rate, by the President and his defenders.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 12:36 PM
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16. K & R.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:25 PM
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19. Retweeted!
:)
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:42 PM
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21. K&R n/t
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:46 PM
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22. K&R
Thank you Bernie!
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:29 PM
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23. Marry me Bernie! Oops! Am already married.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 04:30 PM
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24. Then Why is the Admin Cutting it?
exactly...
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 06:18 PM
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25. This should be the primary Democratic message at this moment. Why isn't it?
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