Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Sen. Ron Johnson (POS-WI) talks healthcare and communism

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 06:36 AM
Original message
Sen. Ron Johnson (POS-WI) talks healthcare and communism
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/125244323.html


..snip..

...his signature issue, at least during the campaign last fall, was the federal health-care law. Johnson frequently said that President Barack Obama's health-care bill, later signed into law, was the "single greatest assault on freedom" in his lifetime.

JOHNSON: Because that’s exactly what we’re talking about. When government is going to decide what kind of care you can have, where you can get your care - and that is what we’re..."

HUNT: "You think that’s a bigger threat than communism?"

JOHNSON: "That’s exactly what this thing is-"

JOHNSON: "Listen, I’m talking about things that are imposed on me by this - by our government in America. It is the greatest single threat to my freedom, our freedom."
..end..



I'm still hacked this idiot beat our Russ Feingold. Democratic voters in Wisconsin better not ever be caught napping again!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:02 AM
Response to Original message
1. They were asleep with Walker
And making the assembly and senate all Rethuglican as well, and the Supreme Court.

Are they asleep now, maybe not as much, since many have buyers remorse, but Prosser winning, even by a slim margin doesn't give me much to be happy about WI voters.

I wish I had more hope like you, but I look at the WI swing voter as confused & easily lead.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 08:07 AM
Response to Original message
2. Ignore all else, blame WI democratic voters gahd...
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 08:15 AM by HereSince1628
This is like team-mates pointing fingers at each other in the locker room after a loss. It's like blaming the guy who made the last out for an entire game filled with errors and missed opportunities. It's a morale busting blame game. See what you did? See? SEEEEEE????????????!!!!!!!!!!

How's that really helpful?

The Feingold loss had multiple contributors, and the Wisconsin democrats who read DU were probably not substantive contributors to that failure.

But, it's Wisconsin democratic voters fault; really? The skewed federal relief programs to the national economic crisis that didn't relieve the fears and insecurities of Wisconsinites had nothing to do with Feingold's loss? It was, of course Wisconsin's inattentive Democratic voters who created the circumstance that led to the 'throw the bums out' mentality... Democratic voters, really? I don't think so.

And, of course under-appreciation of the n-dimensional Obama administration chess games with corporatist leaning economic advisers that bailed out Wall St but crashed pensions and home values and stuck homeowners with foreclosures, leaving ordinary Wisconsinites scared and expecting no federal help was and remains to today the fault of Wisconsin democratic voters...??

I always thought that the job of Wisconsin candidates and campaigns was to share a message that rallied support among Wisconsin voters for their elections. Yet, when those campaigns and candidates fail to rally sufficient support among voters to win it is completely and only the fault of democratic voters and they must be disparaged. Relentlessly.

I think we all agree Johnson is truly awful. I think all the Wisconsin democrats on DU knew Johnson was awful during his campaign. It's not as if money and time as well as votes weren't gladly given to the cause by Wisconsin democratic voters. It's not as if Johnson actually won by a landslide.

There may be some Wisconsin DUer's with personalities that will respond well to flagellation. But really it's less than morale building. As the capital budget fight showed, I think we do better with a valid cause we can rally behind.






Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. I live in WI and for Feingold's loss & Walker's win I blame every Democrat who chose not to vote.
Choices have consequences and we are living here in WI with peoples' poor choices--those who chose to vote for Walker and Johnson, and those Democrats who chose not to vote at all. Neither Walker nor Johnson won by landslides, so every Democrat who chose not to vote helped them to victory.

Every election is important. Every one. There is no excuse not to vote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Failure of voters to vote
Edited on Sat Jul-09-11 03:52 PM by HereSince1628
should really be examined as a GOTV failure. You can't imagine an acceptable reason for not voting...but the nonvoters weren't motivated to vote. Forget about which one is right and which one is wrong. Think about which of those two positions needs fixing?

There is a possibility that something exists which candidates, campaigns and state and county party organizations can do to improve voters turning out. There is a possibility that in governing the current incumbents could do more to inspire more support.

Treating nonvoters as bad people who can't be excused for having put us in this fine mess we are in just isn't very useful to changing their voting behavior. It's just a blame game with all the psycho-socio dimensions and purposes of blame games.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-11 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Sorry, people (those eligible to vote) need to accept the consequences of their choices.
Nonvoters are not bad people, just irresponsible.

I'm puzzled, voters are legal adults, so why must they be begged and pleaded to cast a vote? So thousands of Democrats last November could not find one race, not even one, that interested them enough to cast a vote? That's simply pathetic.

When I hear of those in third world countries who gain the right to vote for the first time and will walk for days and risk their lives to cast that vote, it opens my eyes to how cavalierly and cheaply so many here hold their right to vote, a right they take for granted.

There certainly was enough wailing and gnashing of teeth over the election here last November and I'm betting that many thousands who did not vote regret that choice as do many thousands who regret the choices they did make when they voted.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #2
7. RECALL Hopper! Vote TODAY - the thugs are doing all they can
to keep Hopper in and to confuse and deter Dem voters.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:43 AM
Response to Original message
6. LOL! POS :)
Sure hope they aren't napping today, Scuba!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 06:47 AM
Response to Original message
8. So all of our NATO allies are communists?
Every time they pull the "communist" or "socialist" canard, you have to put in in those terms.

Put it in terms that show it to be as ridiculous as it really is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 06th 2024, 09:06 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC