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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:23 AM
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best of all possible worlds......for the Republicans
Ezra Klein reports on the outlines of a debt ceiling deal being cobbled together by Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell


We seem to be coming closer to a deal on the debt ceiling. It begins with the McConnell plan, in which the debt ceiling is raised three times between now and November, and each time, Republicans are able to offer a resolution of disapproval. Then it adds in $1.5 trillion in spending cuts harvested from the Biden talks. Then it creates a committee of 12 lawmakers charged with sending a deficit-reduction plan to Congress by the end of the year. Whatever they decide on would be protected from the filibuster and immune to amendments.

For Republicans, this plan is something close to the best of all possible worlds (sorry, but I do not consider a world in which "Cut, Cap, and Balance" passes to be a possible one): It's all spending cuts and no revenues. It's a little plan that denies the Obama administration the political and substantive benefits of a big plan. It's a multi-part plan -- which is more important than people realize -- that forces Democrats to take three hard votes between now and the election, and almost ensures that deficit reduction will be an issue in 2013 and beyond. It's a plan that smartly pockets more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts Democrats can sort-of accept and only then begins a grand bargain process, ensuring that if there's a grand bargain later, it will cut far deeper into the bone of Democratic priorities. If it passes, Republicans will have escaped these negotiations without making any significant political or policy concessions.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-a-three-part-deal-on-the-debt-ceiling/2011/07/18/gIQAKoRZLI_blog.html

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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 10:42 AM
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1. When Bush was president did he have to give up
stuff to Democrats when it came to debt ceiling? Why do we keep digging a hole for us when it should be the Republicans? This absolutely absurd theater will never win a Tony Award.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 12:57 PM
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2. Not as far as I recall
This President seems to have taught the Republicons that crime pays. They'll keep making escalating demands as long as he shows he's willing to accomodate them.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 01:05 PM
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3. Andrew Leonard at Salon concurs: How the GOP is winning the debt ceiling fight
http://www.salon.com/news/budget_showdown/index.html?story=/tech/htww/2011/07/18/gop_winning_the_debt_ceiling_fight
The McConnell plan, at last glimpse, is a complicated three-party Rube Goldberg machine that would give Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling in three separate stages, in return for somewhere between $1 trillion and $1.5 trillion in spending cuts, and the creation of a "grand bargain" commission to decide further cuts that, somehow, could not be filibustered.

Ezra Klein is on the money: The evolving McConnell plan represents a significant GOP victory.

(snip the excerpt from Klein's analysis, quoted in the OP)

If this is a Republican failure, what does success look like? Douthat blasts the GOP for failing to make concessions, but another way to look at what just happened is as proof of exactly how good a deal you can get when you take the hardest line possible. Tea Partyers and other hard-line conservatives are squawking, but they should be celebrating. Republicans control only the House but are still on the brink of achieving a victory without historical precedent -- turning a normally routine vote to raise the debt ceiling into a major policy win.

What makes this all the more extraordinary is the release of new poll results reporting that 71 percent of survey respondents disapprove of how Republicans are handling the crisis. When you combine that news with Dean Baker's salient observation that Wall Street would never allow Republicans to go through with their threat not to raise the debt ceiling, you have to wonder why conservatives are so depressed. The people hate what the GOP is doing and Wall Street is adamantly opposed to the centerpiece of its strategy. Obama has all the cards he needs to keep calling the Republican debt ceiling bluff, and yet still he prematurely folds.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 01:53 PM
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4. Obama really needs to hire a Chinese Pawnbroker
to do his negotiating for him. He seems to vastly over-estimate his own skills as a wheeler dealer.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 01:56 PM
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5. Obama should say NO
One sentence bill, the debt will be increased to X number amount. Period. What the GOP are gonna pack up their marbles and go home? They have no choice to raise the debt. No Deals.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 01:59 PM
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6. BWHAHAHAHA! Obama say "NO" to the Republicans?
Oh, you crazy dreamer!

:rofl:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-11 02:08 PM
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7. Well ya you do have a point.
only Democrats can snatch defeat away from victory
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