Obama flips on short term deal. Would still want a bigger Gang of Six deal later.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-would-accept-short-term-deal-to-allow-congress-to-pass-a-big-one-2011-7

Obama Would Accept Short-Term Debt Limit Deal To Allow Congress Time To Pass A "Grand Bargain"

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said President Barack Obama would accept a short-term extension of the debt limit ceiling, if it allowed Congress time to act on a larger deal.

Obama had opposed any short-term debt ceiling deal, though the change in tune reflects the growing realization that a "big deal" the President demands cannot be completed in full by August 2nd.

Carney maintained that Obama believes that if Congress demonstrated "a willingness to back a big deal," then one could be completed before the deadline. He that Obama would still push a major deficit reduction package after August 2nd.

Carney added that "if House members listen to all their members, not just the ones w/the "loudest voices," they would find support for balanced plan, along the lines of the "Gang of Six" plan introduced yesterday.

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Romney is beating him

That's just off the top of my head = let this news about cuts to SS and Medicare sink in and he is toast.

to these programs?

The thief who steals your wallet is the same as one who steals your wallet and more possessions.

or not?

correct?

broken and irretrievably altered for the worse Social Security?

Really?

"We had to burn the village in order to save it'

People are not stupid.

first.

Also, I don't agree with your characterization re: SS being altered or broken by Democrats.

his performance over 30 months has been a travesty

Bureau? The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act? The: Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, The Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Making Home Affordable program, saving the auto industry, and so on?

doing evil........

My Catholic catechism is rising up - some things do stick

on SS amd Medicare. I want the specifics you're looking at, thanks.

All people will care about in a year's time is 1, how many have jobs, 2, how good/secure are those jobs, and 3, how much money do they have in their personal budget. This 'deal' makes all of those things likely worse.

That's the bottom line.

since that was bullshit. Now it's "but the repukes want bigger cuts"

phase. I see no specific support for any cut. My point was that the person I responded to suggested Obama would lose because of a cola adjustment while Ryan and his cronies will cost every American an extra 6 grand, if they're lucky enough to have an insurance company accept them.

but he is holding up well in national polls against all of the GOP candidates.

Obama will lose if Congress does not impeach Bush.

Obama will lose is he supports school choice.

Obama will lose if he doesn't call for an immediate end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Guess I'll take the root canal.

because to use your analogy - you wouldn't put your hand into the gargbage disposal and you have taken care of your teeth - just as people have PAID into the SS and MEDICARE systems - they have done what they should.

That they make you think you need help dealing with a catastrophic event when there isn't one is the real crime.

If the economy tanks after this deal, people lose their mortgage deductions and have to pay more while the rich pay less, then a puppet on a stick will beat Obama. And in all 50 states.

Some have said that the real repub candidates (aside from Romney) are waiting to see how bad it gets. They have felt that Obama was unbeatable, but if they start to feel differently, then they may reconsider. Again if things get worse, and Obama owns this 'deal', he will get the blame.

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Does this mean you're not going to vote for him?

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:eyes:

What is wrong with you?

Is there NOTHING he can do that will get your condemnation?

ELDERY looking at cuts to SS to give millionaires a tax cut and corporations a tax cut?

What site am I on again?

If this is what the Democratic Party, morphed into the Obama Party is going to advocate I want nothing to do with it.

Please point out to me the difference between what he is backing and the Bush proposals post 2004.

Please.

I don't "own" projected future benefits, so, no, there's no theft if the projected benefits wind up increasing by a smaller amount than they would without change.

Is there NOTHING he can do that will get your condemnation?

I've "condemned" Obama often.

ELDERY looking at cuts to SS to give millionaires a tax cut and corporations a tax cut?

There's no millionaire tax cut here. I'm sick of dishonesty about this.

Please point out to me the difference between what he is backing and the Bush proposals post 2004.

About Social Security? It's embarrassing that you would ask that. Changing the CPI vs. privatization? You're being absurd.

and that is right out of Norquists - starve the beast analogy.

The corporate tax rate would be cut - read it again.

The fact that we borrowed money to pay for the Bush tax cutsand 2 wars is what is driving this deficit. But who does he focus on - 'the 'sacred cows within my own Party' for cuts for what amounts to assurances that there will be 'some revenue'.

"sacred cows" are good for slaughtering in his world I guess.

In my world - people depend upon them to LIVE in a semblance of dignity.

I really do not want to be in Political Party that doesn't see the immorality of what he is doing.

Do you have anything else to add besides advocating for the Democratic President to lose all 50 states and calling the Democratic President a "Mo**** F***er"?

and the 54 yr olds and under who are really going to feel the effects of having what WAS PROMISED THEM STOLEN FROM THEM

Stole from them.

Because that's what it is.

It is IMMORAL

UNCONSCIONABLE

This is histrionic. Social Security benefits are set by statute, for God's sake; it's Congress's job to decide what they are.

Why is an 84 year old distraught? These things phase in over decades.

And whose fault is that?

On the other hand, it's kind of silly the way we're pretending that because we write down the borrowing we'll have to do to redeem the trust fund in a different notebook, that borrowing won't matter. It's sort of like how we don't give "direct military aid" to some countries; it's still military aid because it frees up money to buy military stuff.

over this mess. It isn't just congress they are blaming, it is also Obama. I think this is a terrible move for any Dem to make right before an election. It makes no sense at all. It is the one winning meme Dems had going for them, that they are protectors of these programs.

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This is nonsense to act like anything has been done to steal from people.

We may not agree with him, but calling him that name is really unnecessary.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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"I told you so" news or "chess"?

What don't you understand?

He will sign a temporary debt ceiling increase to get the gang of 6 piece of shit bill which effectively DESTROYS SS and Medicare - an even stronger one! oh boy can't wait to see what that is - indentured servitude to those Wall St fat cats? BECAUSE he needs the TIME it takes to get the bill through the PROCESS.

He could just as easily sign the debt ceiling bill ALONE.

Chess my ass.

outright thievery more like it

Idiotic drivel!

Thanks for clearing that up

you're still under the impression that you're relevant!

Obama is in constant 'spin' mode. Nothing that he says can be believed. Whatever he says today will change tomorrow.....

I hope a short-term extension makes the chances of support for a gang of six plan less likely, though I am not holding my breath.

Some thing a little less "Tax the Poor to pay for the Wealthy Tax Cuts"

Not that I disagree the Corp Tax code needs a radical revision. Tax Exemptions that Reward Corps for Outsourcing American Jobs and allow Multinational Corporations to CHEAT the Tax Man an estimated $100 Billion annually should be reduced. Additional - I hate to say it - but Grover Norquist AND Bil Clinton are right. America needs to shift to a Territorial Corp Tax System, and if that means eliminating "Tax Loopholes so the companies BOTH large and small could compete on the same level playing field - then so be it. Besides - Small business is the Job Creators - Big Corps Down Size the work force to increase profits for share holders.

But just how the "Gang of 6" figured that personal taxes needed to be overhauled to get America working again is a mystery to me. Not really - yet again it is a HUGE Give Away to the Wealthy Elite which has never proven to generate job growth

I must have dreamed it. :eyes:

if it's going to be before the elections, that's not good. Best to wait till after ...

And how silly it is for anyone to think they know how he's gonna rope the dopes. Not only that but he put the blame squarely on Congress for their failure to act.

He's all 2012 now. Zero-sum. :rofl:

vote. Granted a longer debt limit deal would have been best.

politics with the debt ceiling.

So did Howard Dean and John Kerry.

Regardless, the talk about "big deals" is just that.

politically.

the people below do not understand nor know where he is leading them??


It seems that very few, or if any, really know the intentions of the President.
How can one know if whether to follow or disagree with is the best course of action??

You have to know the path and I can say with complete certainty that no one knows
just by reading the posts on DU. In my book that is no way the correct way to lead.

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