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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:19 PM
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If we have to give up everything and they give up nothing...then what are we gaining?
We are robbing old people, children and poor people to pay a debt that was run up by republicans for wars. These are the people we are supposed to protect, not prostitute.

How are we going to sleep at night if we allow this to happen?

For those that say that the SS checks will stop in the event of a shutdown...that will be more temporary than the fixes that they are throwing out there.

When the elderly, poor, and children are suffering....the banksters will be suffering too.

I suppose a default is the closest we will get to shared sacrifice...because it certainly looks like a deal will be born solely on the backs of those least able to fight back.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:20 PM
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1. If we give up Anything and they give up nothing, what have we gained?
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:21 PM
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2. They will keep coming back for more.
That is how blackmailers work. It never ends until you are broke and they destroy you.
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lifesbeautifulmagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:24 PM
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3. i share your emotion.
I want to vote D to keep a decent supreme court. But, if I can email, call and write, and still we get deals that slash SS and M, and no revenue increases (taxes on the rich), I just want to give up. It doesn't seem to matter. I know we have to wait and see what the final deal is, but really, I am just sick thinking about it.

i always hear that you have to compromise to get the mushy middle, but, while Dems need the middle to win, they need us, as well.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:38 PM
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5. Even when they had the majorities the democrats had problems. IMO the
democrats were their own worst enemy during health care. That, was very disappointing.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:31 PM
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4. Not to worry... NRA has our health care, SS, and retirement needs
all planned out.... Sorry for the grim insinuation, but frankly, I don't think a lot of nasty-assed RETHUGS would care if desperate old and sick people and suffering poor found solace in such a horrific 2nd amendment solution. I am terrified that we will return to the grim days of the Middle Ages or at least Dickensonian times when the rich had everything and the poor only misery.

A shared dose of "half full" optimism would be welcome right now....:shrug:
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:42 PM
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6. The thing is that when people feel they have nothing else to lose
then they turn violent because that is the only course that they see left to them.
The 2nd may come back and bite them
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:44 PM
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7. That's what they want, a "return to the grim days of the Middle Ages or at least
Dickensonian times." And what I find absolutely amazing is some Americans poor and with nothing assist them in this goal. It just gets so F'ed up words just fail to describe how some people basically want to fall on their own sword for the republicans. Sadly, I don't think we're seen anything yet as to where the US is headed.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:47 PM
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9. They Believe ANYTHING the Tee Vee Says. The Tee Vee Tells them to Vote Republican So They Do
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:49 PM
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12. And they learn nothing from their past errors. The stupid is sooooo great. n/t
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:44 PM
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8. Default Would be a Total Victory for the Teabaggers. That is their Goal
They are even betting on it financially.

The programs that we fear they will cut would certainly be disrupted (if not ended entirely) by a default.
Then we would be in an even weaker position attempting to get funding for them again, as their shutdown
would be a fait acomplit.

That is why the teabaggers won't make a deal to avoid default. Default is their objective.
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Ed Suspicious Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 06:47 PM
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10. I just started reading Shock Doctrine, but the ideas offered up in debt negotiations
sound a lot like shock therapy.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 07:45 PM
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13. Keep the Wall Street Bailout in mind while you are reading,
and the Health Care Bill,
and the Bush Tax Cut extension,
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And the Invasion of Iraq,
and the NEW War in Libya.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 07:50 PM
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14. We win the metaphorical and mythical multi-dimensional
chess game, of course, proving that we don't need to accomplish a damned thing to claim success as long as we sheep keep voting in soooooper geniuses who know how to patronize us.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 07:51 PM
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15. Reverse Robin Hood. Take from the poor to give to the rich. Repukes hate Robin Hood too!
We don't gain anything. That's the plan. The people lose. Corporations win. It's not 'our' country anymore.

I would love someone to explain what their Grand Plan is after they have destroyed all the people, all the jobs, after all the infrastructure has crumbled, small businesses die and there's NOTHING left of this country....what exactly do they plan to do with the remains?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:03 PM
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17. Give it to China?
Take the money and run. Indeed.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:02 PM
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16. Back when we had control of congress, senate and the president we still
lost. Democrats should watch the republicans and learn!
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:03 PM
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18. I love any post that actually mentions the people who will be hurt by all this.
They are utterly absent in the media.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:20 PM
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19. Didn't think that *Change We can Believe in* would consist of mugging the elderly and poor
But this admin seems hell bent on giving the elites every damned thing they want. And then some.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:48 PM
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20. The mistake we made was in thinking he was talking to us when he said that
when, in reality, he was speaking to Wall Street and the Banksters.
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