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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 07:57 PM
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How Obama's policy advisors explain his giveaway on the safety nets.
And I don't buy it at all. It's a bunch of words from centrists who have no thoughts for how those cuts will hurt ordinary everyday people. It's like they live in the rarified air of rich folks who only have to worry about talking points for the next election.

Obama takes political, policy gamble on ‘big deal’

Here are some of the explanations. They don't fly with me because I believe that has been the goal all along.....to reduce Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid and eventually turn them over to corporations in the form of personal accounts.

Obama’s political advisers have long believed that securing such an agreement would provide an enormous boost to his 2012 campaign, according to people familiar with White House thinking. In particular, they want to preserve and improve the president’s standing among political independents, who abandoned Democrats in the 2010 mid-term elections and who say reining in the nation’s debt is a high priority.


No, even independents don't want those programs harmed.

The risk for Obama now is that his pursuit of a sweeping package could deeply disappoint his Democratic allies, who believe the president may be giving away too much. His calculation that an ambitious plan to reduce the nation’s debt by $4 trillion over 10 years is so important that he’s willing to endanger one of the best weapons in his party’s arsenal — the argument that Democrats will protect Medicare and Social Security at all costs.

“It’s a political and policy gamble — the idea that people would welcome a large deal when it required middle-class Americans to sacrifice, even down the road, at a time when they have fewer resources,” said Neera Tanden, chief operating officer at the Center for American Progress and former domestic policy adviser in the Obama administration.


Of course, it is a huge political gamble, but I think it has been planned all along. The policy makers do not believe they need to worry about the people who object....that there is nowhere else to go if both parties do it.

“The president ran for the office to bring both parties together to solve big problems. That’s what he is trying to do here, even if it comes with political pain,” said Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director, in an e-mail. Obama has said a big deal is best for the nation’s economy and would help preserve entitlements over the long run. He has also started making the argument to liberals that they won’t be able to get their priorities accomplished until there is a plan to tame the debt.


And the Third Way weighs in.

“It benefits him politically a great deal if there’s a big deal,” said Jim Kessler, vice president for policy and a co-founder of Third Way, a left-leaning group that has been supporting an ambitious plan. “The deficit favors Republicans. But if it seems like it’s been solved, then you take away one of the biggest Republican issues and at worst you neutralize it and at best you win it.”


So that's the advice Obama is getting? That if the GOP accepts his offer which includes cuts to programs that are vital to seniors, the needy, the disabled....that he will win?

Obama and his advisors fully understand that this is going to be a bloody process. In fact Senator Obama himself said so back in 2006.

Bob and I have had a running debate now for about a year about how do we, in fact, deal with the losers in a globalized economy. There has been a tendency in the past for us to say, well, look, we have got to grow the pie, and we will retrain those who need retraining.

..."....Just remember, as we move forward, that there are real consequences to the work that is being done here. There are people in places like Decatur, Illinois, or Galesburg,Illinois, who have seen their jobs eliminated. They have lost their health care. They have lost their retirement security. They don't have a clear sense of how their children will succeed in the same way that they succeeded. They believe that this may be the first generation in which their children do worse than they do. Some of that, then, will end up manifesting itself in the sort of nativist sentiment, protectionism, and anti-immigration sentiment that we are debating here in Washington. So there are real consequences to the work that is being done here. This is not a bloodless process.


He was speaking then to the very ones who are advising him now. In his speech he never attempted to offer a solution for the problems coming from their policies...nothing at all about how to stop the bleeding.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:00 PM
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1. It's wrong of me to hope
they all get terminal jock itch.
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:06 PM
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28. May the fleas of 10,000 camels...
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:52 AM
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49. Yes, it's very wrong
I want them to live with the jock itch until they die of other causes.

-Hoot
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:02 PM
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Well By All Means Let Us Give Up What;s Due Us So He Can Be Re-Elected
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:18 PM
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17. The truth is, this has nothing to do with re-election.
MF is right: Independents don't want this sh!t, either. Taking money OUT of the economy will not help the recession. THE DEBT is not our biggest problem, unemployment is.

This is straight up BS and so is the re-election story.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:04 PM
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27. I agree.
The administration just wants to do it. They are not being pressured. It's been obvious for some time now.
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hairyHans Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:02 PM
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2. REDUCE POLITICIANS SAFETY!! BUT INSIST! RALLY!
AMERICANS MUST RANT AND RALLY WITH RAGE. POLITICIANS CAN`T
HEAR REASON WITHOUT PRESSURE AND NOISE!!

 Why do Americans not insist(RALLY, RANT & RAGE) that the
first cuts to ANY taxpayer-supported wages/benefits are those
of ALL the politicians... President, congressmen,senators,
upper political civil servants!  
 If this were to happens you would have NO problem coming up
with PRAGMATIC not rhetorical solutions. 
 WHY do AMERICANS NOT JOIN TOGETHER EN MASSE AND INSIST
" POLITICIANS FIRST!" . 
 Don't forget: they put themselves first on EVERYTHING ELSE: 
Best benefits, best expense accounts, best health care, best
working environment .... all at taxpayers' expense.`
  
Will you allow them, by dithering, to further reduce your
common American's well-being?
 
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:05 PM
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3. I hope we have a choice in the primary. I know some that are so fed up no way are
they going to vote for Obama. A choice in the primaries might vent of some steam. IMO it would be healthy for the democratic party to have a choice in the primaries, after all, the democratic party is a big tent, Obama says that too, so IMO it would be a given to have reasonable choices in the forthcoming primary.

A lot of independents are going to be really pissed if they see the programs they want going away. I don't think Obama for 2012 is a given, it's a long way off in the big picture.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:59 AM
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40. There was a primary in '08... the policies advocated by the loser are being put into effect...
I'm not sure how much faith I have in the promises made in a primary anymore... just saying. ;)
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:06 PM
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4. Obama has lost me. He's nothing but a damn republican!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:16 PM
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:24 PM
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21. I think he's done more to divide the democratic party than unite it ... I always stand
to be corrected, but the dems. I have talked with are really pissed off with this administration.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:48 AM
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60. I think that was part of the hidden agenda,
but then I do tend to be somewhat of a consipiracy theorist. But Brooks reported that within a few weeks of being elected, Obama stated that "reforming" social security was one of his top priorities. We all got fooled by the trojan horse man and made him our trojan horse president, to our everlasting dismay.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 07:17 AM
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69. Yep, I tend to be somewhat of a conspiracy theorist too. I hardly ever
believe the showcased propaganda.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:08 PM
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5. I want to puke
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:30 PM
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23. +1000 nt
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:08 PM
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6. Independents, democrats, and repigs all use SS and medicare
I think they are wrong thinking people will hang with him after if he sells us out. I do not understand this rationale. Why vote for him again when he sold us out. That was before an election. What will he do when he is not facing another election? This as has been said many many times, this does not solve the lack of jobs and if seniors and disabled have to start looking for work it will get even worse. But we just can't stop the damn wars which would help the money problem.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:14 PM
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10. This is a war country. This country is preoccupied with war, it feeds the MIC and
huge profits are made off war. These policies indicate to me TPTB are willing to sacrifice many of the citizens so as to wage war, to keep the inflated MIC funding and to keep the profits rolling in. These wars have been going on years now. Either the US is really crappy at waging war, or the profits are too great to stop, and I fear it is the latter.
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:18 PM
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16. Sadly I agree with you.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:10 PM
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7. i will not throw away my vote on him next time
The DCCC & DLC have disenfranchised us. wake the fuck up suckers. we have to opposition party to corporatism.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:20 PM
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20. I've stopped all donations to the DCCC & DLC. My money doesn't count, my
interests don't count. I was telling someone today never have I felt like such a peasant in this country. Now, I know I would not feel great under republicans, but I am extremely disappointed in what this administration appears to be, a shill for corporate interests above millions of citizens.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:11 PM
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8. We're not abandoning Obama; he is abandoning the Democratic party
That is all there is to it.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:16 PM
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12. Excellent point!!! n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:12 PM
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:15 PM
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11. what an atrocity
I wish I'd known before voting in 2008 that he was planning to give away SS and Medicare (and Medicaid and after-school and pre-school and public schools and union rights). So he's going to "rein in the debt" and then when that's done (5 years? 10? 20?) suddenly reconstitute Social Security. He's way too smart to believe that he's got to be lying.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:16 PM
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14. Part of this is a lie on its face
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 08:17 PM by Doctor_J
He has also started making the argument to liberals that they won’t be able to get their priorities accomplished until there is a plan to tame the debt.

Whenever he tries to smoodge liberals with this crap, our immediate response should be, "Then why did he extend the Bush tax cuts?"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:20 PM
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19. You don't save your way out of a recession. n/t
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:00 PM
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26. this + 1 quintillion
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:01 AM
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54. Or did you read Jan Schakowsky's deficit plan or the People's Budget?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:16 PM
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65. use Biden's line "forgive me if I laugh in your face"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x497884

“How can Perry or the Republican Party talk with a straight face about fiscal responsibility? Give me a break,” Biden said. “Next time a Republican talks to you about fiscal responsibility, tell them, ‘Forgive me if I laugh in your face.’ It’s bizarre. It’s bizarre. They have no credibility.”
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:17 PM
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15. It will be difficult to convince voters that debt reduction is his true motive.
On Obama's watch:

Wall Street and the Too Big To Fail corporations plundered the US Treasury for tens of trillions.

Two new wars in the Middle East were started.

The Deptartment of Homeland Security was dramatically expanded.

Deals were cut with South America to give away more US jobs, which means more private sector money fleeing the US economy.

Hundreds of billions in tax cuts and subsidies for the wealthy were extended.

Widespread theft and corruption in Afghanistan and Iraq was ignored, leading to the loss billions of dollars.

Bernanke funneled trillions to foreign banks and businesses and gave no-bid contracts to the same criminals who caused the 2008 collapse.

Now he fights to reduce the debt by cutting Grandma and Grandpa's Social Security checks and he and his advisers expect the people to fall for it?

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:19 PM
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18. Yup
especially this:

Hundreds of billions in tax cuts and subsidies for the wealthy were extended.


Does he think we can't remember back to December?
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:26 AM
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32. +100
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ProfessionalLeftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:26 PM
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22. Once again, if he really wanted to make "tough choices" he'd demand the bu$h tax cuts rescinded
and a 50% cut in defense/pentagon spending and leave so-called "entitlements" alone. But he doesn't want to make "tough" choices for himself or his rich friends - only the rest of us - who have NO VOICE in our own government.

He's not selling me that shit. This Republican mofo has LOST my vote. Sanders is a write-in. Period.
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udbcrzy2 Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:51 PM
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24. Sanders is my write in also
I remember Bush saying that we would get a republican president. I know I may be banned or flamed, but I have my own opinion. I don't want to vote for someone who constantly fucks up my world and doesn't even try. If I vote for Obama, then he is going to think 'oh, I've done good'. Fuck that noise.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:49 PM
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63. I don't feel a part of this country anymore with "NO VOICE in our own government. n/t
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:00 PM
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25. As an aside.......
Who the fuck other than the John Birch Society considers the Turd Way as a "left leaning organization"?
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 04:04 AM
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41. +1 n/t
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:57 AM
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51. The Koch Bros and Murdoch
To rattle off two.

But you do have a point.

-Hoot
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:58 AM
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52. OMG...Did someone (besides the Birchers) actually say that?
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dreamnightwind Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 04:34 PM
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67. It was in the OP
“It benefits him politically a great deal if there’s a big deal,” said Jim Kessler, vice president for policy and a co-founder of Third Way, a left-leaning group that has been supporting an ambitious plan."

I assume that quote comes from the linked Wapo article, didn't look it up to verify though. This statement caught my eye as ridiculous as I read the OP, so I'm glad it was singled out for ridicule here.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 04:44 PM
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68. Gotcha. Thanks. n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:12 PM
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29. recommend.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:13 PM
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30. K&R
I have nothing to say anymore.....
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:10 AM
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31. We got our hopes up and got taken.
I know you campaigned and worked for his election. I did too, after the primaries.

Now I feel guilty for being so gullible. It was my hope, my wishes that caused me to ignore what should have been obvious.
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:51 AM
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33. I'm SICK of those in need being offered as sacrificial lambs
for 2012 election and to finance further tax cuts for the uberwealthy

Cutting out lifelines and safety nets for the poor, sick, and unemployed to advance partisan politics - it will be like a nightmare from hell for them.

There are no words for what an outrage this is
:grr:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 01:54 AM
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34. no principles, just as long as you win an election. sounds like a whole crapload of people here.
Must be a new age.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:08 AM
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35. no principles? Didn't you read the OP?
He's bringing Republicans and Democrats together, into one big Republican party to solve big problems as defined by big Republican talking points. The current big problem being, "too damned much welfare spending". Once that one is solved we can move to the next one, "taxes for rich people are just too darned high".
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BlueCheese Donating Member (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:17 AM
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36. In the 1992 primary...
James Carville was memorably annoyed when people praised some Democratic candidates as having "poltiical courage" in opposing a middle-class tax cut. As Carville said (quoting vaguely), political courage is defined as willingness to slap working-class people around. We need to help people, not bury them in political courage.

Also, if independents indeed think the deficit is the biggest issue (and I'm not sure I believe that), it's only because the leaders of both parties keep telling them that. If someone with a huge megaphone and the ability to go on national television whenever he wanted tried to tell them it's unemployment, maybe they'd think differently.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:35 AM
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37. They don't think so, that's bs. When they were polled at the midterm
they specified jobs. I put a link up thread.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:45 AM
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38. They know it isn't true.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 04:16 AM by Enthusiast
They are lying.

The strong position with the electorate is to strengthen social security and medicare.

Pay no attention to the lies.

No presidential advisor actually believes weakening social security and medicare will strengthen the president in 2012.

They also knew that caving in on extending the Bush tax cuts in 2009 would cost us the 2010 election.

They wanted more Republican seats, not fewer.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 03:50 AM
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39. I was sort of flabbergasted to hear Thom Hartmann repeating this fantasy
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 03:50 AM by EFerrari
last week as if it made sense -- when he's made economics his show's thing and pays pretty close attention. There's no way independent voters have changed their minds in the last 8 months and decided that our debt and not their unemployment is their first concern.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 04:17 AM
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42. Well, independents certainly don't
think the deficits are more important than preserving medicare and social security.

IT'S ALL LIES!
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:34 AM
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46. Enthusiast we've been calling bs with this admin for quite some time now,great to see people finally
waking up to this bs,it's only been thrown in our face since day one!
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:45 AM
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48. so it's all smoke and mirrors and terrorizing the poorest and sickest in the country?
oh, okay......



:wtf:
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 04:52 AM
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43. Lies.
Every single word. Lies.
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Somawas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 06:19 AM
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44. Its treasonous.
Treasonous to the middle class and open motherfuckery.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:21 AM
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45. A bunch of double talk political horse shit..........
This was Obama's plan since he hired his first advisors. He is a tool for the Chicago School of Economics and Freidmanites. I would never waste another vote for this man ever, and don't give no Bachman or any other bullshit names. I am done with Obama and have been for quite some time. These assholes trying to reinvent this country make me sick. Quit stealing our money and give everyone what they paid for and the non-payers (Wall Steet) nothing. Throw the fucking bums out in the streets, it is pitch fork time!
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:41 AM
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47. He can take that chance and he will lose.
He's lost me if this plan goes through with all cuts and no tax hikes on the rich. I'm through with him. He'd better hope there are more independents out there than Democrats.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:53 AM
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50. i dont vote for independents or republicans.
no matter what deceitful tags they pin upon themselves.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:00 AM
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53. They are either dumber than I thought or liars and very evil men. I am thinking the latter n/t
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:06 AM
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55. So he did it to enhance his re-election?
EVERYTHING Obama has ever done has been to build his OWN resume at the cost of everyone and everything else.

I wrote a post on this during the primaries and it was deleted...but, let me take this opportunity to say this to the ones that decried what I said.

I fucking told you so.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:43 AM
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56. He could care less about his re-election.
He'll have a nice pension, big money speaking fees, be on the board of several corporations.

Membership has it's privileges.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:44 AM
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57. If his only goal is to "bring both parties together" he should have
told us that from the start. As far as I can see the goal of both parties seems to be to do nothing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:27 AM
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58. Wow
General Discussion
How Obama's policy advisors explain his giveaway on the safety nets.
75 recs : By madfloridian

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads&topten=1

Just saying. Not a popular topic at all. 75 - 56 = 19
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:39 AM
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59. Don't worry.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 11:40 AM by Zorra
They "come in peace".
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BobbyBoring Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:52 AM
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61. It's not just Obama
When you get down to it, you can use your digits to count the number of congress critters that care about US and not get your toes involved. There's not a single rethug. We have Sanders, Kaptur (sometimes), Kucinich, and a couple others I can't think of at the moment.

The rest are totally corrupt and we don't have much time left.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 12:57 PM
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64. Our gov. today is just a subsidiary of wall street and the banksters. The wealth in
this country calls all the shots and power-plays. Then the politicians scurry around trying to look good so they can keep their corporate bribes, paychecks and benefits. The whole thing has become a scam. As you say, there are a few really good congress critters that care about US, but they are far in the minority IMO.

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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:55 AM
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62. If Obama cuts Social Security Obama will get his 20mil book deal in 2013.
Obama willl be unelectable in 2012. They may love the Teabagger BS but only until the cuts hurt them.
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savannah43 Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 02:50 PM
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66. It's all about him, isn't it?
Doesn't he realize that many Independents are seniors, too? Apparently, he doesn't really care. He's just another corporate tool.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 10:48 AM
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73. I don't think he cares. I don't think any of the party leaders care.
I think there are many Democrats who do, but they are not in position to have an effect on Obama's decisions. He seems to be courting someone other than Democrats who are not considered New Democrats.
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:53 PM
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70. bring the partys together, i want nothing to do with the GOP fat bags of rancid festering evil shit.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 07:13 PM
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71. K&R . Have you seen this piece by Michael Hudson? If not you may agree.
Obama's Ambush on Entitlements
By MICHAEL HUDSON

You know that the debt face-off is as staged as melodramatically as a World Wrestling Federation exhibition when Obama makes the blatantly empty threat that if Congress does not “tackle the tough challenges of entitlement and tax reform,” there won’t be money to pay Social Security checks next month. In his debt speech last night (July 25), he threatened that if “we default, we would not have enough money to pay all of our bills – bills that include monthly Social Security checks, veterans’ benefits, and the government contracts we’ve signed with thousands of businesses.”

This is not remotely true. But it has become the scare theme for over a week now, ever since the President used almost the same words in his interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley.

Of course the government will have enough money to pay the monthly Social Security checks. The Social Security administration has its own savings – in Treasury bills. I realize that lawyers (such as . Obama and indeed most American presidents) rarely understand economics. But this is a legal issue. Obama certainly must know that Social Security is solvent, with liquid securities to pay for many decades to come. Yet . Obama has put Social Security at the very top of his hit list.

The most reasonable explanation for his empty threat is that he is trying to panic the elderly into hoping that somehow the budget deal he seems to have up his sleeve can save them. The reality, of course, is that they are being led to economic slaughter. (And not a word of correction reminding the President of financial reality from Rubinomics Treasury Secretary Geithner, neoliberal Fed Chairman Bernanke or anyone else in the Wall Street Democrat administration, formerly known as the Democratic Leadership Council.)

http://www.counterpunch.org/
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