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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:39 PM
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2 teenage girls died and 8 injured in a detasseling incident in whiteside county illinois
there are reports that the sister of one of the girls has died. needless to say the people around these parts are stunned. detasseling is sort of a right of passage around here. it`s one of those commonalities that just about everyone shares. as far back as i can remember there`s never been an accident that has resulted in this many deaths and injuries.

this thursday marks the first anniversary of the deaths of two teenagers in a grain bid accident.

http://www.saukvalley.com/articles/2011/07/25/06087430/index.xml
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:40 PM
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1. awwww, I hate farming accidents. So sorry.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:00 AM
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19. Less of an accident here - more like death by Monsanto :-(
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:45 PM
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2. I read the full article. Looked up what detasseling was. Still have no clue how...
...the irrigation system could kill them. What am I missing here? Terrible tragedy but I really don't understand what actually transpired.

PB
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:48 PM
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3. Same here.
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 11:49 PM by Hassin Bin Sober
It sounds as though the irrigation units are dangerous. The kids are told to walk around them. Why can't the units be less dangerous.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:56 PM
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They're told to walk around them as to not hit their head or be sprayed with potential chemicals.
You need to wear a helmet around those things when you are working on them.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:05 AM
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21. Actually, it sounds like they were *specifically* instructed to not walk near that unit.
While I think normal training would tell them to stay away from the units this sounds really fishy, as if they did know something was wrong with it.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:49 PM
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4. Irrigation pumps found at the corners of fields are powered by electricity, sometime they are not
grounded properly. I don't know for sure but I would guess we're talking about a 220 current.

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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:55 PM
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11. More likely 480 volt AC three phase power. Speaking from experience.....it is....
nothing to mess with.

If it was a really big unit(>500HP) it could be 4160 Volt AC.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:57 PM
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17. I knew it would be big, just didn't know how big. nt
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:32 AM
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31. Jeezus.
Either of those possibilities would likely kill you on contact.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:34 AM
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33. Yep, the entire structure is metal (aluminum usually), so they probably grabbed on...
...and nothing short of being pried loose with a non-conductive piece of something would've got them to "let go."
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:49 PM
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5. irrigation system is
hooked up to electrical system to run timers to turn it on and off automatically. My guess is something wasn't grounded right.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:51 PM
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6. Edited: I see now they were climbing over a pivot unit. You can be sure they were under pressure to
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 11:55 PM by Maru Kitteh
work as fast as they possibly could. Goddamn Monsanto.

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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:52 PM
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8. Jeeze. Like the soldiers in Iraq getting killed in the showers.
How about cutting the power when kids are in the field? Just an idea.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:51 PM
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7. 14 years old? working for monsanto?
Edited on Mon Jul-25-11 11:54 PM by spanone
geeeeeez

'Tristen Dudley, 13, of Rock Falls was one of the employees who saw the girls being electrocuted. He said a couple of others tried to help them, suffering severe injuries. '

thirteen???
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:53 PM
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10. Beats McDonalds as far as experience is concerned. But yes, Monsanto probably cut corners.
How hard is it to have an electrician make sure the pumps are all grounded properly?
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:56 PM
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14. Or kill the power when kids are trudging through the water?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:58 PM
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18. So the kids would've been OK how about the pivot feeder maintainer?
The equipment needs to be regularly checked, period.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:10 AM
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23. I would hope he turns the power off when working/checking on it.
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 12:15 AM by Hassin Bin Sober
And if he needs the power to be on while maintaining it, he can, as an expert, take the extra precautions needed when working with water and power.

The point is: If the units don't need to be powered up, why have them energized when MINORS are working in wet fields.

I'm a contractor. I work with electric all the time. When water is present, you can bet your ass extra precautions are taken. And I don't even have kids on the jobsite.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 02:33 AM
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32. I worked with these sorts of machines, we were walking around them all the time.
We wore waders so we probably would've been fine (it gets muddy out there) but I think I can see a maintainer, requiring the machines to be powered up, or even off, getting killed the same way these teens did. The point is really that the electrical connections needed to be checked, regularly. My bet is that the entire system was hot, they grabbed on to it and were grounded immediately, muscles contract, there's not much that can be done.

This job in particular isn't hurting by having kids on the jobsite, it's good hard work, as a first time job it beats fast food any day, it build character and respect for this work.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 09:31 AM
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41. Here's a local parent I tend to agree with:
Edited on Tue Jul-26-11 09:32 AM by Hassin Bin Sober

Jeffrey Ritzert wrote on July 25, 2011 5:14 p.m.

"This accident is a horrific tragedy that I personally believe could have easily been avoided. As parents of two detasselers we are aware that there are hazards in the field. Exposure to heat, pesticides, insects, etc. We do our best to insure they are prepared for what they may encounter. NEVER did I have reason to believe that such a horrendous thing could happen to our children or anyone else's. Having been the "competent person" on numerous industrial and commercial jobsites, worker safety has been priority one. When young children are present, equipment should be de-energized, also known as "lock out-tag-out" to prevent the posibility of "accidents". I would have to call this preventable had personal safety of workers truly been a concern. We can only hope that the corporations responsible are genuinely held accountable for this needless loss of life due to reckless misconduct. There needs to be an in-depth investigation performed by OSHA to hold all parties responsible.



Wires fray. Wires come loose. Connections short. Connections arc. Even AFTER being checked.

Sure, "checking" connections on a regular basis is a smart idea but not enough when working with high voltage, water and kids. A full-time pro adult should be required to wear protective gear (boots, gloves etc. Powered down when possible) - That's THEIR fail-safe. The units should be powered down when there are 10?, 20?, 30? part-time kids helping out - that's THEIR fail-safe.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:55 PM
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12. Now that I know what de-tasseling is, it sounds like...
...a summer job my SO had growing up in Southern Illinois.

It's summer work for kids.


(My first read was what the f-ck is a deta selling)
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Another Bill C. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:05 AM
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20. In our state
twelve-years-old is old enough for farm work. When I was twelve, I signed up and weeded or picked. I came home blistered and burnt.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:09 AM
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22. It is very common for young workers to detassle.
Everyone around here does it. My two youngest children detasseled at that age. I can't remember why my oldest did not detassle. I think she was babysitting full time during those summers.

It is hard, hot work. The detassling season is brief.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:27 AM
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28. It's fairly common for teenagers to do detaselling in farm country
My mother did it in the fifties.
Not saying it's right or wrong. It's just rather common in corn areas.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:14 AM
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35. I detasseled corn when I was 13 and 14.
Made only minimum wage at the time, and it was the hottest, sweatiest, dirtiest work I've ever done. But I also made (what at the time I considered to be) a very nice sum of money. But we were also never near any equipment of any kind.
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:39 AM
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37. It's something lots of teenagers do around here
It's all voluntary and just a short term three week job. Hard work but the kids like to have some extra spending money. My daughter's friend bought herself a laptop with her detasseling money.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:51 AM
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39. I worked for Dekalb for $3.10/hr when I was 12 years old.
You start out at 4 in the morning, wet and freezing but by the time the day is over in the afternoon you're dangerously hot. They expect you to get through those fields at break-neck speeds and the corn cuts your wet skin as you run through the rows so you have to wear hats and bandannas and long shirts and gloves to protect yourself. Weeks of running across wet, uneven ground leave you with really horrifying blisters and sores on your feet. There's never enough drinking water.

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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:52 PM
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9. This is horrible... But it just seems par for the course when Monsanto is involved...
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:55 PM
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13. They worked for the terrorist predator corporation Monsanto.
No surprise that they had unsafe working conditions.

Monsanto should be destroyed. They are a serious threat to all of us.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:56 PM
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15. I wonder if Monsanto owned the fields and equipment.
I wonder how little they will offer the families for two girls, and how long they'll try to drag them out in court.

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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:57 PM
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16. They were working for Monsanto...
...why am I not surprised to read that...
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:12 AM
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24. According to the article, that missing detassler has not
yet been found. Is there any news on that?

This is the first time I remember any accidents at all. I cannot remember anyone going missing.

Like you, I have lived here a long time.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:14 AM
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25. Odd--I did that as a teenager and there were no irrigation systems
Things seem to have changed over the last 50 years.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:25 AM
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26. It's fairly close to where my father lives
Sad
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:26 AM
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27. Can someone please explain to me what detasseling is?
It sounds like a tragic accident. I feel very sorry for the girls and their families.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:32 AM
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29. I had to look it up:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:37 AM
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30. Thank you. n/t
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 06:58 AM
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34. Umm... did everyone pay to access this article? ???
It would not allow me access, after entering my zipcode, unless I paid for it.

Please don't link to pay only articles without at least cutting and pasting enough of it to let us know what is going on. I am amazed that everyone here appears to have ponied up for this single article in a small newspaper. I can not justify doing so, but have been left extremely frustrated after repeated attempts to access it.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:44 AM
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38. Same Thing Happened To Me
GAC
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:54 AM
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40. They must have re-set it sometime before today and last night.
Maybe this story went nation/world wide and the chiselers don't want to pay for the excess band-width.


Here's another link.


http://www.saukvalley.com/articles/2011/07/25/r_d_wioaq6tcygsrvifow7cg/index.xml
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 09:35 AM
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43. Thanks. That Works Much Better
GAC
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 11:41 AM
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47. thank you!
:toast:
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 09:35 AM
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44. Still going right through for me.
:shrug:
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 08:34 AM
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36. Detasseling is something lots of kids do around here
They hire kids as young as 12. They do need parental permission, it is voluntary and they are free to quit if they want. The job usually lasts a few weeks in mid-late summer. They were just a couple of kids wanting to earn some extra spending money. It's tragic, losing a child has to painful beyond measure.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 09:43 AM
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45. And losing a child to Monsanto.....
One can only imagine the pittance Monsanto will offer for lives of two girls, if anything. Money and the strong, searing lights of publicity are the only way to punish them.





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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 09:33 AM
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42. WTH is "detasseling"?
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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 10:05 AM
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46. I had to look it up also
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