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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:52 PM
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Hypothetical - In September 2007 Debt Limit Vote, Would You Have Supported Pelosi...
...If she used the debt limit vote under Bush not merely as leverage to get some sort of concession, but for purely political purposes to embarass Bush, and willingly risked default in an effort to dare Bush to be the first President to default even if it brought the Nation to its knees?

In other words, lets say House Democrats signed a pledge saying they would not increase the debt limit until we get single payer, then actually followed through on the threat, which lead to a default, would House Democrats be heroes or villains in the ensuing calamity?

The Republicans are setting a dangerous precedent in the future that will sadly invite retribution, and there really is no reason to hold back if Democrats take the House and are facing a Republican President.

Of course, the problem with this game of chicken is that there will eventually be a crash. Perhaps now. Indeed, the fact that House Republicans are already poised to vote down the Reid plan, which essentially gives the Republicans what they say they want, shows just how crazy Republicans have become.

Yet, the corporate media still plays up a false equivalency between the parties even though one side is truly crazy. And, the American people elected them. As a political stunt, it does work, but the economic consequences are enourmous. Sadly, Republicans see this as a win-win. They will either get a Balanced Budget Amendment or default occurs and econmic catastrophe occurs under President Obama.

The American people simply do not realize just how radical the Republican party has become. Heck, Boehner is even having trouble securing votes for his very, right wing plan because so many of his caucas are locked into the Cut, Cap & Balance pledge, that they can't even agree with Boeher.

Again, this would be funny if it were not so pathetic. Can you imagine voting against increasing Medicare benefits, because you signed a pledge that said Single Payer or Bust! Some folks on this Board post how they hate compromise, but we are about to discover the downside of ideological purity. I would laugh at the Republicans, except that they are going to bring the entire Nation down with them.

The corporate media has tried to hide the extremism of the Repulican party. This is why the establishment (Fox News) has so heavily promoted Mitt Romney. Because he can be the face of Compassionate Conservatism II. A friendly face for facism. Well, we saw how things worked out under Bush. And, the Republicans are even more crazy than before.
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ezgoingrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:49 AM
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1. No, I would not have.
This shouldn't be a political issue. This is about the welfare of every single American, not only Republicans or Democrats.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-11 12:58 AM
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2. I wouldn't have supported it, and it wouldn't have worked for a single hour.
Bush would've responded to the threat of a default by immediately invoking the 14th amendment, and suggesting similarities between congressional Democrats and terrorists. Then he'd probably stuffed a bunch of unconstitutional bonuses into the package for his side, just to make the point.

Say what you like about Bush, he was an ass and an idiot and the worst president we've ever had, but he did know how to throw his weight around. I'd love to see a progressive president with the same casual disregard for etiquette, to be perfectly honest.
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