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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:40 AM
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"Left-wing “multiculturalist” sentiments tear down traditional European culture, RW'ers argue,
allowing Muslim immigrants to replace it with “their own” culture and values. The result, they claim, will be the demographic, cultural and, eventually, political suicide of the West — unless action is taken to stop it."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/norwegian-attacks-stem-from-a-new-ideological-hate/2011/07/28/gIQAhxy8hI_story.html

"The attacks in Norway seem to stem from a different source. They are the first to emerge from a relatively new, specifically anti-Islamic ideology that moves beyond religious or racial prejudices to incorporate anti-Islamic sentiment as the focal point of a larger worldview. Growing numbers of people in Europe and the United States subscribe to this belief system; in some instances it borders on hysteria. Adherents of this ideological Islamophobia view Islam as an existential threat to the world, especially to the “West.”

Moreover, they believe that leaders and governments in the Western world are consciously or unconsciously collaborating to allow Islam to “infiltrate” and eventually conquer democratic societies. The presence of this new ideological form of anti-Islamism is clear in the Norway attacks. The perpetrator, though motivated by anti-Islamic sentiments, did not attack or kill Muslims. Rather, he reserved his extreme actions for those “traitors” whom he believed to be collaborating with and allowing Muslims to take over Norway (and Europe). He chose targets related to the Labour Party, the alleged “multi-cultural Marxists” who dominated his thoughts.

Breivik’s acts are so far the only major incidents like this. Perhaps they will remain unique. His thinking, however, is certainly not. Thanks to his carefully sourced manifesto, we can identify many of his intellectual influences, and they are prominent on both sides of the Atlantic. And many people hold views similar to Breivik’s. In the United States, we have seen frequent manifestations of this ideology, including the eager promotion by anti-Islamic zealots of a growing conspiracy theory about “creeping Sharia law.”'
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:49 AM
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1. Don't think Liberals in Europe aren't in on this. Many secular moderates are knee jerk anti-semites
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 06:55 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Hence the "Mohammad was a terrorist" cartoons, the constant refrain of "I hate all religion, I just hate Islamists more" from the hypocritical techno-fascists who have taken over socialist and liberal parties in Europe and are legislating Third Way politics there. The reality is that people who do not have any values of their own and are culturally and politically rootless tend to lash out and feel vulnerable when immigrants move into their towns and take over their abandoned (!) church buildings and shuttered (!) public facilities. So they blame freedom of speech, religion and assembly!

People who are secure in their cultural values and have strong cultural ties do not feel vulnerable. You don't see Hispanics in the US complaining about creeping Americanization.

On edit: of course, the Islamists feed into this by sowing hatred on the other side of the aisle. Guess who funds them? US-backed Saudi oil money. Did you know Somalis used to be predominantly Sufi before the War on Terror came along? You know, Sufism, that religion of peace that "secular moderates" don't want to allow to build a mosque in New York because they don't know anything about Sufism.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:15 AM
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2. Which "socialist and liberal parties" espouse "I hate all religion, I just hate Islamists more"?
It seems to me that the "Muslims want to take over Europe" is a right-wing political belief. The far right, in particular, have used this sentiment effectively to scare people enough to win seats in national parliaments for the first time.

The socialist and liberal parties haven't been effective in fighting the right and far-right's anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim propaganda but, as evidenced by the liberal government in Norway, they haven't used the same rhetoric themselves.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:29 AM
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3. No parties, but you can't defend civil liberties of Muslims in Europe without butting heads with em
They're the same people who cheered the whole Mohammed cartoon imbroglio. The problem is that in Europe there is not separation of church and state as we know it, there is something called laicism which is fundamentally at odds with the way freedom of speech in the US works. That's why their debate on the subject is so messed up, e.g. "should we ban headscarfs to protect our heritage" that sort of thing, the way our debate on the subject of the budget deficit is messed up. It's the one thing Americans have Europe beat on.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:47 AM
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4. Then why did you claim it was from parties?
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 10:51 AM by muriel_volestrangler
You talked of 'the constant refrain of "I hate all religion, I just hate Islamists more" from the hypocritical techno-fascists who have taken over socialist and liberal parties in Europe and are legislating Third Way politics there'.

If you now say 'no parties', I have to wonder if you're just babbling whatever you feel like at the time, rather than basing your posts on reality.

So, you've now said these are the 'liberals' (or 'socialists'?) "who cheered the whole Mohammed cartoon imbroglio." So, again, can you give us some names - of people or parties - or some links?

You also seem to think that hating Islamists is 'anti-semitic'. How have you arrived at that conclusion - seeing as anti-semitism is hatred of Jews, and Islamists are Muslims who want society run according to Islamic laws and customs?
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