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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:55 AM
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The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

from Food Renegade:




The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice
Written by KristenM


Do you buy orange juice at the store? If you do, I’m sure you’re careful to buy the kind that’s 100% juice and not made from concentrate. After all, that’s the healthier kind, right? The more natural kind? The kind without any additives? The kind that’s sold in the refrigerator section so it must be almost as good as fresh-squeezed orange juice?

If I’m describing you, then you’re either going to hate me or love me by the time you’re done reading this post. The truth is, that orange juice you feel so good about buying is probably none of those things. You’ve been making assumptions based on logic. The food industry follows its own logic because of the economies of scale. What works for you in your kitchen when making a glass or two of juice simply won’t work when trying to process thousands upon thousands of gallons of the stuff.

Haven’t you ever wondered why every glass of Tropicana Pure Premium orange juice tastes the same, no matter where in the world you buy it or what time of year you’re drinking it in? Or maybe your brand of choice is Minute Maid or Simply Orange or Florida’s Natural. Either way, I can ask the same question. Why is the taste and flavor so consistent? Why is it that the Minute Maid never tastes like the Tropicana, but always tastes like its own unique beverage?

Generally speaking, beverages that taste consistently the same follow recipes. They’re things like Coca Cola or Pepsi or a Starbucks Frappuccino. When you make orange juice at home, each batch tastes a little different depending on the oranges you made it from. I hope you’re hearing warning bells in your head right about now. .............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.foodrenegade.com/secret-ingredient-your-orange-juice/



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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:59 AM
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1. Squeezed Boehner?
:D
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:21 AM
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25. He's been juiced, all right
frequently
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:06 AM
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2. Why the fuck even use orange juice?
It seems like a perfectly stupid way to make oranges more expensive for real consumption.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:48 AM
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11. Becuz pickle juice is like way to puckery and stuff
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:56 AM
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13. Are you sure Mr. Zabladowski, that's some powerful stuff!
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:09 AM
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3. Many responses here at an earlier thread ->
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=1605091

Dirty Little Secret: Orange Juice Is Artificially Flavored to Taste Like Oranges

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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:15 AM
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4. I assumed that decades ago based on the consistency of taste
It's not only the taste. It's the exact same consistency in your mouth every time. There's a thickness that real oranges don't have. Granted, it tastes very good and rolls on your tongue very nicely, but it ain't real.
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:31 AM
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5. They said it wasn't made from a concentrate, not that it was pure juice,
of course there is a "recipe".
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:35 AM
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7. Not worried? You know most americans aren't even aware "juice drinks"
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 07:54 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Are orange-flavored soft drinks. Ever tried to go hunt for real juice in a 7-11? How many people who shop there do you think even realize the difference? Why should it be OK to add artificial flavors to OJ making it taste repulsive and undrinkable?
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:43 AM
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9. Drinking too much juice in total is not good for you anyway - too many carbs
And it actually tastes pretty good, not repusive. I love Simply Orange. But it has gone up in price. It used to run 2.00 dollars a carton, but it was 2.99 yesterday. But what the heck I am an avid tropical punch Kool-Aid drinker, so can't say much for the juice.

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:54 AM
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12. I dont have a problem with Bug Juice, but that's all artificial so it's designed to taste like sugar
It's the fake lemonade and mixing corn syrup with fruit juice that I can't stand.

Heck, nobody likes to drink flat Coca-Cola, and it's basically corn syrup.

Have you noticed that you go to fine restaurants that serve "organic grass-fed pan-seared scallops" (and this is in the DC area where all the policymakers live) and the only lemonade ANY of them have on the menu is artificial lemonade?
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:11 AM
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16. well, good for you!
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:44 AM
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29. ... but it IS labeled "100% pure juice", ...
... and does not list other ingredients on the carton. If they are going to add flavoring, they should be required to tell you that on the package.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:33 AM
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6. Which is why most packaged Orange Juice tastes foul to me.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:39 AM
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8. You buried the lead. Article states "fresh-squeezed" OJ ENTIRELY FLAVOR-FREE. Flavor is re-injected
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 07:41 AM by Leopolds Ghost
Using "flavor packs" engineered by chemical and perfume companies.

But actually, there is an important stage in between that is an open secret in the OJ industry. After the oranges are squeezed, the juice is stored in giant holding tanks and, critically, the oxygen is removed from them. That essentially allows the liquid to keep (for up to a year) without spoiling– but that liquid that we think of as orange juice tastes nothing like the Tropicana OJ that comes out of the carton. (source)

In fact, it’s quite flavorless. So, the industry uses “flavor packs” to re-flavor the de-oxygenated orange juice:

When the juice is stripped of oxygen it is also stripped of flavor providing chemicals. Juice companies therefore hire flavor and fragrance companies, the same ones that formulate perfumes for Dior and Calvin Klein, to engineer flavor packs to add back to the juice to make it taste fresh. Flavor packs aren’t listed as an ingredient on the label because technically they are derived from orange essence and oil. Yet those in the industry will tell you that the flavor packs, whether made for reconstituted or pasteurized orange juice, resemble nothing found in nature. The packs added to juice earmarked for the North American market tend to contain high amounts of ethyl butyrate, a chemical in the fragrance of fresh squeezed orange juice that, juice companies have discovered, Americans favor. Mexicans and Brazilians have a different palate. Flavor packs fabricated for juice geared to these markets therefore highlight different chemicals, the decanals say, or terpene compounds such as valencine.

The formulas vary to give a brand’s trademark taste. If you’re discerning you may have noticed Minute Maid has a candy like orange flavor. That’s largely due to the flavor pack Coca-Cola has chosen for it.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 07:44 AM
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10. I haven't had OJ in years..
Who can afford it? Oranges yes. I used to have my own juicer.. and making fresh Carrot Juice was wonderful. Nothing like the stuff you see in the stores today. The only way to make good juice is to
juice it yourself. Was amazed how many carrots it took to make a glass. Wish I still had my juicer but its broken, so now I drink Green Tea all the time. Organic green tea from Taiwan. I also have some left over Matcha from Japan.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:04 AM
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Carrot and wheat grass juice...
...yum. I used to get it all the time from the health food store deli near my house. They juiced it right in front of you. It was so good. That and a free range chicken salad sandwich with carrots was an exceptional meal :)

I'm also a fan of tea - I usually drink iced tea (unsweetened), but I like green tea, too!
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:14 AM
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18. I buy my green tea
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 08:15 AM by AsahinaKimi
in bags from the Local Chinese merchants and tea seems pretty fresh. I always buy the bagged tea, so what I can do, is place several teabags in a pitcher and leave it out for a half hour or so. The tea steeps and makes a lovely ice tea. Lately I have added one bag of Ginseng tea. (That is pretty potent for me, any more then one tea bag to a half gallon will make me sick.) The tea will last me a day at most, and then I make another batch.

One of the best places to get tea is here:

http://www.tenren.com
They have a store in Chinatown on Grant Street at Jackson street. Or you can
order it via the internet.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:24 AM
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20. Thanks for the link!
Oh my word, what a wonderful selection of tea! I brew a gallon of tea every day (usually decaf - I don't need too much caffeine), but green tea is fairly low in caffeine anyway. It's nice to have a variation, and that place you linked to looks like heaven.

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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:53 AM
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30. If you get tea from there
Suggest you try the Pu Erh tea. Its a brown tea that is lovely. They also have Oolong tea, Ginseng, as well as Green tea.
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:04 AM
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14. Whoops, double post n/t
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 08:25 AM by Aerows
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:11 AM
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15. I was just wondering this exact thing the other day. Terrible! I wish they would properly label
this garbage.

I don't personally drink it but everyone else I know does.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:13 AM
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17. Now we know why those Rastafarian homebrew smoothies they sell in college towns taste so much better
Either that, or all the brown sugar and ginger.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:23 AM
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19. People can actually taste a difference in brands?
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 08:25 AM by pipi_k
huh.

It all tastes the same to me...

:shrug:


Anyway, I don't drink much OJ. It gives me bladder problems. I fill my water bottle 3 times a day.


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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:26 AM
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21. Another OJ thread? Why is orange juice suddenly such a timely topic?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:33 AM
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23. Same as it ever was
Olive Garden, AppleBees, Cigarettes, breastfeeding, circumcision, narwhals, pit bulls, smoking bans, Spitzer, High school bands and soda pop

kids on planes drinking caffeine, bombing the moon, tax fast food, Rapture, PETA, screaming kids in restaurants

Vaccinations, orange juice, Jessie James, Ipads, Michael Vicks, Octomom, unicorns and Charlie Sheen, now the Weiner's gone.


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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 08:31 AM
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22. Yup. Have not bought orange juice since the 90's.
There is no argument here. Either buy oranges and make your own, or eat an orange when you feel the need. The chemicals may preserve the food, but they don't preserve us.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:07 AM
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24. I see a lot of "Juice King" manual juicers on ebay - anyone ever use?
I've gone off store OJ, mostly because of cost, but also because I don't really like the taste.

We like an occasional small glass of fresh-squeezed orange juice. We're not into "juicing", so don't want to splurge on a good electronic model.

Anyone used the old fashioned juicers?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:34 AM
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26. All I Can Say is
I wish that you could order fresh-squeezed OJ in the states. In Spain, every little diner has a machine where you can see the oranges being cut and squeezed to make your juice.

It's worth the trip just for that and the hot chocolate.

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:36 AM
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27. I figured it was just over-priced fruit-flavoured sugar water.
I don't drink orange juice.
I like lemonade and limeade, but they're not trying to snooker me into thinking those are 100% "pure juice", either. I know they're concocted drinks.
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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 09:44 AM
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28. Well, I drink it because I like it.
Edited on Sat Jul-30-11 09:45 AM by GaYellowDawg
That's a good enough reason for me.
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YankmeCrankme Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 10:01 AM
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31. There is not secret ingredient in OJ, at least not from Tropicana
Want to know what happens? Fruit arrives at plant, it's inspected and sent to bins for storage until needed for processing. The fruit is washed and on the way to the extractors it travels along a roller conveyor that has tiny needles that puncture the skin of the fruit to remove oil, which the water/oil mixture is collected in centrifuges and the oil removed, stored and sold as a by-product. The fruit has been separated by size at this point, cut in half and the juice, pulp and rag removed. The peel is sent to driers to be turned into cattle feed. The pulp is separated out by sieves and the juice has the oil removed. The oil is sent to a flavor house that specializes in food flavors (not perfume) and they do blend back the oil to certain proportions because companies want consistency of product, but it is all the oil from the fruit itself and it is Tropicana's recipe blend.

It would be hard to sell your product if each batch was a different flavor, viscosity, had different amounts of pulp, or color. I can only speak for Tropicana, but there is no added special ingredient. They blend using all the juice they either extract themselves or buy on the market to have year round OJ available in the market. Otherwise, you would have very inconsistent juice quality, it would only be available 7 months of the year and only in the SW or SE United States, because juice doesn't store well if left to itself, i.e. it has a relatively short shelve life. Yes, it is stored aseptically, otherwise it would go bad, again, OJ will oxidize and develop bad flavors one of which is diaceyl, not to mention bacteria developing, in a relatively short time. Not what you want to put on the market to make people sick. If you didn't remove the flavonoids, which are volatile, during pasteurization they would mostly volatilize off and you'd have no flavor left.

Yes, the company wants to make a product that is consistent in taste, mouth feel and color. All food products are the same in that regard. In the OJ business, you try to produce a year round product that actually only grows part of the year, each season there are challenges to quality and quantity based on how the year went regarding weather and blight. Rain and temperature are very important and need to be within certain ranges to get best crop and even than it is still somewhat of an art to producing commercial OJ.

So, if you want truly fresh OJ, buy the oranges and squeeze it yourself, otherwise, understand there isn't any "secret ingredients" or chemicals, other than those naturally occurring in the orange itself.
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