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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 07:57 PM
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Well, I for one think leaving revenues off the table was a brilliant move
After all, who wants to disappoint 28% of the country?

Well done, leadership! :applause:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:00 PM
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1. Seriously! I can't wait to hear the spin on this.
:popcorn:
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AlabamaLibrul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:01 PM
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2. No spin on the presser just yet, just unabated personal attacks...
It's the quickest to come up with.
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:35 PM
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11. They'll be around
Not sure which it'll be though...

The usual "Best we can do since it's your faults for electing teabaggers"

Or the "Somebody needed to be the adult in the room, so eat your peas and SHADDUP"

Could even default to "Obviously you want President Michelle B since you're fighting this!"
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:02 PM
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3. Well we the little people are just fringe you know
and sadly the bubble thinks that
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:03 PM
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4. Yeppers -- WOO-HOO! Way to go!
Representative government, my ass.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:06 PM
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5. I've only seen that poll referred to once on the teevee
Thanks for posting it!

K&R
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:54 AM
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30. I have heard the question (taxes specific) quoted as high as 82%
based on various polls. Wouldn't be too hard to track it down with Nate Silver & all keeping on top of this debate.

That graphic just spoke to me and after the Reid/McTurtle love fest tonight followed by the Obama Statement, called out for an airing.

:argh:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:06 PM
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6. K and R
:thumbsup:
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:06 PM
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7. This is gov't by consent of the monied not consent of the people.
All we've got is votes and as Rahm says, what are we gonna do with them?

They are pretty cock-sure that we won't throw them at a Social Progressive.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:23 PM
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8. k and r
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:31 PM
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9. When do those Bush tax cuts expire, anyway?
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:32 PM
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10. If they are not extended, January 2013.
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 08:33 PM by Ruby the Liberal
Keep in mind, that raises taxes on everyone, not just the $250k+ crowd as was floated.

Do be on the lookout for more hostage situations over manufactured crisis' between now and then to save "the middle class".
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:39 PM
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12. I think the baggers are going to use this & s/s marriage to make Constitutional Convention an issue
They played the amendment card in this debate, and Perry now wants a marriage amendment. Right to life amendment is always mentioned by social conservatives, and the xenophobic crowd wants birthright citizinship removed. The GOP controls a lot of state houses right now, and you only need 2/3 of the states to vote "yes" to make one happen. It's a good way to drive their base to the polls -- making sure they hit state offices as well as the federal ones.
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:54 AM
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33. 2011. The Obama tax cuts expire in 2013
Let's call them what they now are. I want to make sure people know what has gone on, so as to hold our representatives feet to the fire.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 08:48 PM
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13. president pyrrhic wins again
If I remember my history nothing but good comes next
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:07 PM
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14. Obama can run on increasing taxes on the rich in 2012. 72% agree!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:10 PM
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15. Wow the defenders aren't here, too much logic I guess.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:52 AM
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32. They were out partying with the White House spin room last night.
Sleeping in today, and then a late brunch with today's spin briefing. They'll be all over us this afternoon.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:10 PM
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they're awake
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1632419
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:10 PM
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36. they're awake
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1632419
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:10 PM
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16. Snort. Guffaw. LOL. Bravo. nt
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:14 PM
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17. Pass higher revenues through the House
Go on, make it happen. Please. I'd love to see somebody do that.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:18 PM
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19. Wouldn't it be nice to say the same
about Social Security & Medicare?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:19 PM
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20. I do; cuts to SS and Medicare won't pass the House either
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 11:20 PM by Recursion
And certainly not the Senate. That's why they aren't in the debt deal. They aren't even in the commission trigger, though defense cuts and (de facto, since the Bush cuts will expire without a tax reform deal) tax increases are.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:58 AM
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34. I hope you're right. But it could be that each side is playing a different game with the commission.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:03 AM
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35. I'm sure they're trying to, but for all the jokes about 9th-dimensional chess...
...Obama actually has time and again shown himself to be better at structural strategy than his opponents. There really is a lot more pressure against Republicans in the commission's trigger enforcement than against Democrats -- not to mention the fact that the only thing the Republicans have to offer the Democrats about tax cuts is keeping the middle class tax cuts in place, and I don't think Democrats want that enough to turn down that revenue (I think all the tax cuts should go, personally).
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:00 AM
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22. Medicare is in the graph. Limited space for the OP title restricted me.
:thumbsup:
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:12 AM
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23. Not nearly as hard as people make it out to be.
Bully pulpit, get lots of calls in to the R's in vulnerable seats. Pass it with 100% D and a small number of R's.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:17 PM
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18. Anytime congress wants to raise them it is welcome to
It doesn't have to be related to anything else.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:35 PM
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21. What I can't wait to hear is what's included in the $1 trillion cuts in spending
"up front." It took months to hammer out the haircut to the 2011 budget; does anyone think this new, unconstitutional super duper congress will move at the speed of light? Or have all the deals already been made?

Remember April 9? The great "shut show" is over. A deal to cut $38 billion from the 2011 Federal budget has been cut. Details here. As Washington Post columnist Dan Balz correctly notes, the "shut show" made both sides look very bad.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/budget-in-real-time-live-blog-2011-4#ixzz1TkPJjNHY?du

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:17 AM
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24. Or this one?
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:29 AM
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25. Thing of beauty right there.
Thank you, Krispos.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:32 AM
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26. No problem!
I have more...
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:42 AM
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28. Hear this, people!
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 12:46 AM by Ruby the Liberal
:applause:

Edit to add - took a closer look at the unemployment chart, and just, damn.

Is that adjusted for the Clinton reconfguring of unemployment numbers (circa 1998 IIRC) that dropped a mass of people off the rolls?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:54 AM
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29. I'm not sure offhand
It probably runs from the official gov't numbers, but I can't say positively.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:57 AM
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31. Still, striking.
But welcome to the Unites States of Austerity, apparently. :(
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:34 AM
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27. Gold, Jerry.
Gold.
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