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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:24 PM
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Moody's might downgrade us to AA anyway?
Please forgive me for citing Sean Hannity as a source, but I just heard him say, this on the
Mark Levin radio program.

According to Hannity, Moody's is going to downgrade us to a AA rating unless there are more than
3 trillion in cuts in this bill?

Is this true? If so, the implications are disgusting! The business sector gets to blackmail
us with a catastrophic downgrade, unless we implement Grover Nordquist's plan to shrink government
down to the size where it can be "drown in a bathtub"?

I do not know if this is true, but I figured someone here might be able to provide some context.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:26 PM
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1. They were waiting to know how bad
but they are going to anyway.

It was in the pipeline, and why the damage (just how bad was the question) was already done.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:28 PM
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5. I hadn't heard this AT ALL!
Very interesting. I'll have to get on the Google, I suppose. ;)

What a firestorm that will be, if we are downgraded.

Thanks for the info...I hope you are well. :)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:30 PM
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8. Oh we are well
posted the latest story from WSJ, but NPR went on this earlier as well
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:27 PM
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2. You'll have to come up with a better source
It's a plausible story, but you'll have to come up with a better source.
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mwrguy Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:28 PM
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6. It was on NPR earlier today
Radio, so sorry no link.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:29 PM
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7. Still No Guarantees U.S.'s Perfect Credit Rating Will Remain Intact
By Stephen L. Bernard
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Though Moody's Investors Service and Standard & Poor's Ratings Services said late Sunday they would not immediately comment on the tentative debt deal reached by President Barack Obama and Congress, past comments from the ratings agencies indicate the U.S. government's perfect credit rating could still be in jeopardy.

S&P had repeatedly said since putting the U.S. rating on review for possible downgrade that it wanted to see a deficit-reduction plan that was around at least $4 trillion. The tentative deal reached earlier Sunday appears to fall well short of that level. The agreement calls for a $2.4 trillion reduction to deficits over the next 10 years.

If S&P determines the deal falls short of meaningfully changing the trajectory of U.S. deficits, it could still cut the government's triple-A rating. S&P had previously said a downgrade would likely be into the AA range, which means the U.S. could still see its rating cut between one and three notches. A cut in the rating could lead to higher borrowing costs for the U.S.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110731-706093.html

Sorry this is the most recent, but NPR was going on this last night as well
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:33 PM
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11. Thank you so much for posting this link...
This must have been the information that Hannity was citing--because this is exactly what Levin said that
Hannity said.

I guess this will be an interesting week.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:36 PM
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15. You welcome and when it happens
I can expect the spin to be epic.

Of course when the economy further slows down and unpemployment goes up... it will get even worst.

But spin is all there is left.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:30 PM
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9. I agree with you...
I hadn't heard this before. It appears that other DUer's have heard this, as stated
in their posts.

That's why I posted this, even if it was from disgusting Sean Hannity. It's huge news
and the consequences are unimaginable. It's that important and I thought it should
be posted.

I'll try to find other sources.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:36 PM
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13. Thank you all . . .
We now have better sources than Sean Hannity.

Man, that was quick.
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mwrguy Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:28 PM
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3. We should nationalize the ratings firms.
No private sector firm should be able to blackmail the nation like that.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:31 PM
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10. That's exactly right...
For one firm to hold that much power in their hands--and to have the power to manipulate
the government into compliance with what THEY want--should be a CRIME!
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ChrisBorg Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:28 PM
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4. It was never about the debt ceiling...it was about the debt.
Their formulas benefit them.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:34 PM
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12. It's DEFICIT cuts, not SPENDING cuts. It has to do with our political dysfunction.
And watch interest rates on US treasury bonds, not ratings agencies.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:36 PM
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14. Moody's -- those would be the criminals that rated bales of bad mortgages as "Triple A."
Those criminals and Standard and Poor's . . . why are they even listened to?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:48 PM
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16. I wish I could have heard what was really going through Obama's head today
he is surrounded by teaparty facists and bankster mafia.. these ratings agencies are another branch of La Familia apparently.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:54 PM
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18. It appears that way, doesn't it?
Another nice chapter to this. We'll be told that we must cut, cut, cut entitlements
even more--or our economy will collapse.

How can actions like that, by a corporation, be legal?

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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 12:04 AM
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19. Some who've read it over are saying it's not that bad, here are some threads:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 11:51 PM
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17. It wouldn't be catastrophic. n/t
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