I'm pretty sure almost everyone here will vote for Obama.

Tikki

Bernie in the primary.

:evilgrin:

I certainly will. But if he loses support on the left, he has no one to blame but himself.

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But we won't be enough to stop Romney.

... I just wanted to point that out since it should be a comfort to anyone who supports that policy. :evilfrown:

... except repeal healthcare reform, retain the mandate, making the fines even stiffer if one doesn't have coverage, and reviving debtors prisons.

it's that people like me, disappointed as i am, are going to have to try to convince our friends to vote for Obama.

how well do you think that's going to go?

and it's not that some of my friends will vote against Obama --a lot of them just won't vote.

i've said all along that centrism is morally bankrupt and when the only thing you can stand for is to be for what's between two sides, you have the moral authority of a facilitator.

i didn't vote to have a facilitator in chief.

:banghead:

We saw in Massachusetts, in the January 2010 special election for US Senate, how difficult GOTV is when people are feeling alienated or ignored.

asking me to help elect Martha Coates, but then asking me not to go to her website and contribute, but instead, wait for a mail in pledge form that i'd return with a check enclosed.

because that's what they did.

and when i contributed through her website, the DNC called me annoyed that i'd broken my promise by not returning the pledge form with a check.

even though, i contributed through her website just minutes after they called saying how important it was to help Coates.

this feels so different than my experience with the 2008 campaign. which experience reflects who i'm really dealing with?

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I'll write my name in first before I vote for him.

Any putting up a fight?

Almost everyone? no. DU has almost become a magnet for anti-Obama posters of all ilks and agendas.

The two are most definitely NOT synonymous.

Bake

Sid

But that's OK.

I never voted for Nader for anything, either.

Not sure about you folks who didn't study civics and are unaware of what REAL democracy entails...

I would clearly find the whole lot of them unacceptable. Now say I'm a New Deal liberal or progressive civil libertarian or supporter of social safety net. Whereas before such ideology would be represented at some stage of the playing field, they aren't even pretending any more.

Abdicating responsibility to others by not voting is a valid choice.

Not sure about you folks that don't vote having the right to complain about those that do, however.

Since, as you yourself claim, the actions of anyone else who might have been elected to the post would be no better, and therefore there is no real democratic choice.

Reminds me of the time the Simpsons visited the Sundance Film Festival:

tomorrow. Put your crystal ball back in the box. It doesn't work.

And that's a much better username than the OP's. :)

That's not hyperbole.

I am simply tired of this whole "we lose even when we win" BS.

I am tired of being told criticising Obama means I want Bachmann to become President.

I am tired of this admin treating Liberals like some whiney inconvenience and not what they really are... it's BASE. The one 's who worked to get Obama elected in the first place.

I tired of capitulation being confused with compromise. I would been ok with some cuts to medicaid and medicare if there had been revenue increases. If the Rich finally got taxed some. But that didn't happen.

And I am really tired of being called a ringer. I voted for him in 2008. I walked door to door to get others to do the same. So please don't act like you know me.

Whew! Load off my mind! :sarcasm:

:eyes:

Then I believe you are mistaken. I will not vote for a Republican, however neither I will not vote for a Republican that has a D behind their name and I truly believe that is where we stand at this point.

party splitter steps in to siphon off votes. Or, when the base is so apathetic that it does not turn out.

... should whichever GOP loonie to win the primary then wins the general, I want to be able to say I didn't vote for the leader who brought fascism to America.

The concern isn't that DUers are going to run off and vote for the other guy. Then concern is that voters who turned out in 2008 for Hope and Change are going to stay home.

There is not a single Republican on the campaign trail that I would not walk on broken glass to prevent them from getting into the White House. Romney seems the least crazy, but he is even more pliable than Obama and it isn't because he wants compromise it's because he is spineless. The rest are just to awful to contemplate.

My Obama bubble was burst long ago.

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If I'm in a swing state, I'll hold my nose.
If I'm still in Oklahoma, I'm not voting for President at all. Doesn't matter anyway.

That said, I'm not voting for him in primaries.

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probably not and working on GOTV is important, but Obama hasn't earned that right. Also, will we contribute to him as we did in 2008? probably not.

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it will beat Mondale's defeat - and all I can say is I will be cheering when the DLC, Third Way,self identified 'New Democrat' loses and loses BECAUSE he is all those things and that the base of the Democratic Party will have sent a crystal clear message to the Party pooh baas that no corporate owned shill who would sell out the Big 3 belongs in the Democratic Party as their nominee or as POTUS

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for a reality check. A very entertaining thread, though. I've missed a lot.

not my sons, not my daughter, not my parents......

he lost 6 votes just in my family

I've never seen someone that likes to stir up Democrats against Democratic policies the way you do.