So what this "commission" effectively does is take the power away from left and right members of

still_one

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:04 AM
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So what this "commission" effectively does is take the power away from left and right members of

either party.

The idea is so they won't go through what just happened

Whatever the commission decides they will go through and up or down vote in Congress. No 2/3 necessary

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tsuki

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:06 AM
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1. It will be the Koch Brothers' Congress. Vote for it or else. nt

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Recursion

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:22 AM
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11. Right, but the "or else" is a return to 90s level taxes and $1.2 trillion in Pentagon cuts

That's an "or else" most of us could live with. Want to cut the Pentagon's budget by 1.2 trillion? A deadlocked commission is your best bet.

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Davis_X_Machina

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:07 AM
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2. Just like BRAC recommendations....

...or budget reconciliation resolutions -- no amendments, no filibuster.

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TheWraith

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:07 AM
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3. Two thirds have never been necessary to pass a bill.

What this commission does is hash out a package of ideas. Then the Congress votes on it, without the chance to block it or riddle it with amendments, and it either passes or doesn't on it's own merits instead of deal making. If 50% plus one like it, it passes, if they don't, it dies.

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still_one

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:10 AM
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5. I thought bills related to financing required 2/3. Obviously not /nt

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Davis_X_Machina

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:13 AM
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7. There are bills that need a 2/3rds vote...

...because they're taken up out of order, having jumped the queue.
That's a procedural thing, not because of their content.

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still_one

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:18 AM
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8. Thanks for the info /nt

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Davis_X_Machina

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:20 AM
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9. Treaties need two thirds in the Senate...

...as does conviction after impeachment, but that's not ordinary legislation.

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gateley

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:08 AM
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4. It could work if the members on the commission are truly

objective in their assessment and findings. I've heard some sane Republicans on these issues, so hopefully we'll get those who are rational.

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MyshkinCommaPrince

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:10 AM
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6. Sadly...

Sadly our left isn't very left and our right is way off the scale. I'm eager to see this current situation avoided in the future, but I have misgivings about how that's been arranged. Trying to think of it as a much-needed reining in of the destructive Mad Hatter whackadoodles.

I suppose it could have been much worse. I hate the way our process is so oriented toward least-bad resolutions. One hopes we can make it better.

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Recursion

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:20 AM
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10. It's the same idea as BRAC

Which has more or less been a good process

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mmonk

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:27 AM
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12. The whole concept and premise is rightwing ideology.

But I still live in the real world.

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TheKentuckian

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:30 AM
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13. I'm guessing we'll see Conrad, Baucus, and Durbin from the Senate.

Nancy will throw a couple of liberals and a centrist and combined with the TeaPubliKlans we'll get a debacle that the media, DNC, and the White House will be on an all out assault to get passed fig leafed by allowing the Bush/Obama tax cuts to expire and some regressive usage tax as the revenue enhancers.

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still_one

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Mon Aug-01-11 12:34 AM
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14. If the commission is tie does that mean automatic cuts? /nt

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