Obama has caved once again...

No revenue all spending cuts. A GOP victory all the way. Medicare is on the table. Now he is asking us to trust him next year with the Bush Tax cuts. He could have ended them last year but didn't. And then next year there will be another problem with the Tea Party holding something or other hostage unless he gives in and extends the Bush Tax Cuts.

This president has proved he is unwilling to fight for any principle. More and more I think he will lose next year. I'll vote for him, but he hasn't earned that vote--and I certainly won't work for him and contribute to his campaign as I did in 2008.

He also is forfeiting the Medicare issue.

This was a VICTORY for Obama! Can't you see that? The alternative is so much worse ...

And just in case you need it ...

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

Yeah. We're fucked.

Bake

probably not. Will they contribute their dollars as they did in '08? probably not. Those things count too and Obama hasn't earned it. I'm wondering about young people who were so turned on to Obama in 2008. I think for many of them he has been a huge disappointment. I can see them tuning out of politics and not voting at all--at least not as in high of numbers as they did in '08.

He's got the big Wall Street money, and contributions are up.

That's fine. Just fine and dandy. In fact, PEACHY.

Bake

Recent college grad, making sandwiches/slicing meats for $4 LESS than before I went to college. But I consider myself lucky.

There are a lot of people out there that are far worse off than I.

I also fear for my generation's future. I am bewildered that we are expected to keep paying into a system, from which we will never receive anything in return.

I would be better stuffing my retirement (ha. like that will even exist when Im old) into my mattress.

Thank you for considering us...nobody else is.

obama's job record also?

Mass murderers and war criminals.

No matter what letter they put after their name.

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We can't stay in Bushlandia. Anywhere. Nowhere.

This has happened before -- Pres. Obama seems totally intimidated or accommodating to the opposition from the beginning of every one of these 'fights' with the Repuglicans.

He gave the Repuglicans about half the stimulus in tax cuts; he gave away single payer and public option almost from the beginning; he let the Repuglicans hold unemployment insurance hostage to Bush tax cuts; and now.... this 'deal'.

It is an odd psychology -- what goes on in Obama's psyche that he seems to want to please the bully first?

Or ... is he really one of the most conservative presidents we have ever had? (He hasn't championed a rollback of any of the Bush/Cheney policies.)



Or ... has Barack Obama 'buffaloed' establishment Democrats into supporting his conservative policies with the specter of 'fear' of a Repuglican president in 2013?

Hmmmm. Where have I heard that before?

and middle class taxs cuts expire, to allow the rich tax cuts expire?

wouldnt have hurt me anywhere. i could have done it.

but how well would that have gone over on du. i dont remember people embracing that idea.

I don't care if the middle class tax cuts were dropped too. As for unemployment there would have been a popular clamor for that and the GOP ultimately would have given in. But Obama is the one who caves each and every time.

as they have shown in WI and other states. they are not giving in, like you suppose.

and what makes you think there would have been a clamor if unemployment went under the bus? lets see how much clamor there is in the u.s. with this one and possible destruction of SS. didnt happen, did it. not much clamor going on state wide as repug govs are literally tearing up those states.

that the Democrats had the majority in 2008, is a misrepresentation that distorts reality

Most of the blue dog Democrats were aligned with republican ideology. As long as that exists, the Democratic party will have problems

Until Democrats start electing Democrats what else could happen

I bet they win and we get to be slaves forever!

ideology is more aligned with republicans the Democratic party will have an uphill fight

If the president decided to fight the current situation, and insist on a clean bill, that is just raising the debt ceiling, the republicans, under the influence of the teabaggers would have forced a default.

Obamas option then would have been either do the default, or exercise the 14th amendment or some executive power

That action most likely would have generated a Constitutional crisis, with at best a 50/50 chance that the 14th amendment's usage in this case would have been ruled appropriate by the Supreme court

The executive branch for whatever reason decided the potential caos that would have been caused wasn't worth it

If this deal goes through, and I think it is far from certain that they will have the votes, the whole thing will hinge on who makes up this special commission

"Obama caved in again"...

The choice was fight it and risk a default, or do something like they did

The only way the Democrats can get back to a progressive agenda is to elect more progressives. At this time it appears the country as a whole has shifted right, until that changes we will have trouble

Our congress is but a prostitution service for vested interest groups who pervert our elections.

and even Penn that used to be sure Democratic strongholds are iffy at best

"•In Securing this Bipartisan Deal, the President Rejected Proposals that Would Have Placed the Sole Burden of Deficit Reduction on Low-Income or Middle-Class Families: The President stood firmly against proposals that would have placed the sole burden of deficit reduction on lower-income and middle-class families. This includes not only proposals in the House Republican Budget that would have undermined the core commitments of Medicare to our seniors and forced tens of millions of low-income Americans to go without health insurance, but also enforcement mechanisms that would have forced automatic cuts to low-income programs. The enforcement mechanism in the deal exempts Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare benefits, unemployment insurance, programs for low-income families, and civilian and military retirement."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheet-victory-bipartisan-compromise-economy-american-people

While I was immediately pissed, I did find some solace in this detail. In addition if We deliver a Democratic House in 2012 (controls Americas wallet)-I believe it will be different. The key will also be a solid super majority in the Senate. Thats where most all of the bills speaker Pelosi passed, died due to a historical number of intentionally obstructing beneficial bills.

It is my belief after stopping and thinking a moment, that the Repubs are masterfully manipulating info from places we are sorta trusting in-that Obama has Failed, he Capitulates etc. In fact, when you look at it, they have manuevered the American People, via the pres--into hostage negotiation after hostage negotiations--for the Life of me, at this point I honestly do not know what else the Pres Could have done any better given the legal choices he had and still has.

I believe he has earned my vote and the pubs, who have crafted this crises and many others to Protect their rich buddies should all be incarcerated for intentionally working against the American economy in attempting to create it's and the Presidents demise---for profit.
The R's USE Americas most disadvantaged, Education, The Sick etc to FORCE Obama into every damned corner they can. He ends up "taking it" because it is the Least Harmful to Us.