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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:06 PM
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DId I just hear on CSpan 1 that Boehner might not have the
votes to pass the bill.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:07 PM
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1. Listening to MSNBC, but if he does not
that will be fun to see... really...
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maryellen99 Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:09 PM
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4. These next few days are going to be historic
I'd put it at 50/50 for default
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:50 PM
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26. 14th! 14th! 14th!
If the teabaggers (or anyone else) kills this, then invoke the 14th and dare the courts to declare that illegal.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:10 PM
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5. They have someone from CQ - David Hawkings and he also said
that Boehner was going to speak about 37 minutes ago but is still trying to secure votes.

Reid also has problems with Lee who is trying to slow things down.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:08 PM
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2. He may not.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:15 PM
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12. Reporters have left - Boehner has nothing to say
at this time. :rofl:
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:08 PM
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3. I think that was
that Boehner doesn't have the Republican votes to get the deal, we'll see how it shakes out but I anticipate a close passage with a pre-arranged number voting from each party.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:11 PM
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6. They are working on who gets a pass. That's my guess.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:19 PM
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15. i agree n/t
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:19 PM
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18. Absolutely n/t
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:13 PM
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9. If Boehner needs Democratic votes to pass a bill . . .
Wouldn't it make sense that there would be something in the final product that, odious as it is to Democrats, would make the bill palatable? Like an extension of unemployment benefits? Or the automatic trigger to instigate not only cuts in spending but increases in the tax rate? I'm so old, I remember a time that if you wanted to work out a deal with someone, you got a little and gave a little. What are the Democrats getting in exchange for their votes for this package, since Boehner can't even get his own party to sign off in it?
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:19 PM
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16. Perhaps you need to read Redstate
they've not stopped yammering about how this bill is a big wet kiss to the liberal wing of the Democratic party. Basically they are pissed that SS and Medicare aren't getting slashed,the shrub tax cuts weren't made permanent and the debt ceiling was raised through 2012. Some of the more whacked out over there are still convinced that if they had of held out they would have achieved a successful amendment to the Constitution mandating a balanced budget.

I think they'll get their votes from the centrists of the democratic party and the least crazy niche in the republican party most notably the Tuesday Group.

I see it as a relatively centrist deal.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:26 PM
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20. Okay, the debt ceiling is raised
And all the sane people wanted that. So that's kind of a wash. Anything else the Democrats got? Not eviscerating a program isn't really "getting" something. While seniors and poor folks don't have budget-busting needs, what they do need, they REALLY need. Life-sustaining earned benefits aren't really analogous to a depreciation schedule for private jets that is seven years instead of five.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:12 PM
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7. CNN just said it might not pass. I'd love it if we had Boner Fail Pt 2
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:37 PM
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23. I am so glad we are ready as possible for this
I keep saying this is not fun... been through this myself
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ticapnews Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:13 PM
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8. It's going to be very tight
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 01:15 PM by ticapnews
The Hill has a running whip count at:
It updates as members of the House speak or release statements.

My early prediction is that the leaders on both sides twist enough arms to get it passed.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:14 PM
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10. From Kos:
Via Taegan Goddard, ABC's Jonathan Karl says he's been told as many as 100 House Republicans could vote agains the debt deal, meaning Democrats would need to provide as many as 76 votes in order to save the country from default.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/01/1001656/-Will-House-Republicans-vote-against-their-own-debt-limit-victory?detail=hide&via=blog_1

They are talking of primarying Alan West for goodness sakes.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:15 PM
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13. NANCY won't let Barrack down they are playing us. We
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 01:16 PM by daa
carry the tea party water and they say we held out for MORE. We are so stupid.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:15 PM
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11. If not, it's time to invoke the 14th Amendment
It may not pass SCOTUS, but for the time being it's better to ask for forgiveness later than permission now.

Besides, politically, it would be great for Obama to save the day (or at least the global economy) after the teabaggers screw things up.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:19 PM
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17. All he has to say is the truth (and force all cRitics to look like terrarist helpeR$).
Why can't he say he has to do it for National Security reasons?

Why can't he say the republikkkans want the US to go the way the USSR went?

What would the teabaggeR$ look like if they scream?
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:03 PM
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27. Obama Should Invoke The 14th Amendment - Then If It GoesTo SCOTUS....
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 02:06 PM by global1
does anyone really think that they'd be so stupid as to not back Obama up on this. SCOTUS wouldn't want to shoulder the blame for this country going into defaut. The 14th would back SCOTUS into a corner. And if by chance they would rule against Obama on this - they would be exposed to the whole country - just how political they are.

I say vote this so-called compromise down. Let Obama invoke the 14th. Then let the chips fall where they may. I believe the balance of power on this would be with the President.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:16 PM
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14. I predicted this this morning
A bit tongue in cheek but here it is. These people are not going to allow any concessions to Democrats to cloud their victory.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1631632
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:22 PM
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19. Which side is not supporting it?
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 01:24 PM by chrisa
Dems or Republicans?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:29 PM
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22. The opposition to Boehner/Obama is bipartison.
It looks the progressives are finally going to stand up to the bosses.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:43 PM
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24. His folks n/t
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:27 PM
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21. Boehner is rapidly turning into Rodney Dangerfield.



"No respect, I tell ya, man, this is a tough crowd!"
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:47 PM
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25. Nah. I once met Rodney Dangerfield. He had some talent, unlike Boner. nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:05 PM
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28. They are still whipping
readying between the lines with Russert Jr, reporting from the hill
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:40 PM
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29. Boehner up now n/t
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:42 PM
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30. Watch Cantor's body language closely
he rolled his eyes at Boehner :rofl:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:44 PM
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31. Eric is a weasel... oh my apology to weasels!
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