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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:25 PM
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How to put a positive spin on the budget deal
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Let me get this straight. The President kept revenues on the table, did not touch the sunset provisions in the Bush tax cuts, ensured that military cuts keep the GOP honest, protected Medicare by adding in only provider cuts in the trigger, made the reduction apparently enough to stave off a debt downgrade, got the debt ceiling raised, wounded Boehner by demonstrating to the world that he is controlled by the Tea Party caucus, took out the requirement that a BBA {Balanced Budget Amendment} be passed and sent to the states and got the extension through 2012? What exactly is wrong with this deal?

The fact that there are cuts? If people don't like that, why in God's name didn't they turn out to vote and bring back our Congressional majority? Once these nut jobs were in there, it was inevitable that this crap was going to happen. Whether or not it is advisable to cut spending, what exactly was going to stop this from happening? My experience is that the primary factor in all negotiations are the facts on the ground. The complaints center on a ridiculous notion that if the President had only said "no" harder, that these guys would have caved in. This isn't negotiating over who gets the side of the bed near the A/C. This is a complex matter involving 3,000 members and staffers. Negotiations in these situations don't work like this. That's why I'm irked by the constant parade of people comparing the negotiations to movies and card games. These comparisons obscure more than they reveal.

The GOP came out of this looking unreasonable--I've been getting E-mail messages from friends saying they are back with the Democrats because the Tea Party is "destroying this country." Nate Silver tweeted last week that local conservative talk radio in Kansas was filled with callers attacking the Tea Party! The Wall Street Journal ran two editorials which called the GOP delusional and "childish." The vaunted GOP message discipline broke down--I read stories all over the "inside baseball" papers here in DC where GOP House members went on the record after the Friday vote wondering out loud if the party had been damaged! I don't know if you noticed, but John Boehner spent last week negotiating with himself. No new proposals came out from the Dem side, but he produced two proposals, one of which he had to pull after he didn't have votes. A congressional Dem staffer told me his dad, an urban Catholic who voted for Nixon over Kennedy and has always voted Republican suddenly thinks the GOP is out to lunch and supports the President.

Hey, we all hate the pain, but this is an ongoing process. They are going to try this again with a government shutdown. When that happens, I'm pretty sure that the country will be resoundingly against a repeat of these types of hijinks.
-- RW


I post no comment on the argument above. I will only say that another way of making this deal less painful if you're over age 60 or make less than $40,000 a year would involve a lot more vaseline than I care to think about.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:48 PM
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1. The GOP came out of this looking (unreasonable) a WINNER nt
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:50 PM
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2. No the whole episodes adds to the "Throw 'em all out" cynicism of voters
And as the party with the most to lost in the WH and Senate in terms of incumbents, the results will not be pretty for Democrats.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:51 PM
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3. If it needs "spin" to be seen as positive... oh never mind. n/t
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:04 PM
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4. Yeah, but spin happens. You might as well be educated about which direction it's coming from.
Like a Kaspersky virus filter, one's political bullshit detector must be constantly updated.
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