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Fozzledick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:28 PM
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US debt crisis: angry Democrats turn their fire on Obama

Angry Democrats turned their fire on President Barack Obama with unprecedented ferocity on Monday, accusing him of a capitulation to Republicans that has seriously harmed his chances of re-election in 2012.

Though the White House boasted about a triumph for compromise, Left-wingers felt betrayed, saying the price of striking a deal to raise the US borrowing limit had been much too high.

Representative Emanuel Cleaver, a Missouri Democrat, said of the deal: "On the surface it looks like a Satan sandwich."

Another, Cedric Richmond from New Orleans, said he feared it would have a "devastating impact" on low earners, with the working and middle classes bearing the brunt of the cuts.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/8675899/US-debt-crisis-angry-Democrats-turn-their-fire-on-Obama.html
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:31 PM
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1. MoveOn described the deal as "grotesquely immoral".

"Our members are wondering, 'What in God's name is going on in D.C.?'" said Justin Ruben, executive director of the group, which claims five million members. "The country needs jobs, and Washington is debating what vital programme needs to be cut."" Michael Tomasky, a leading liberal commentator, wrote: "This is the lowest moment of Obama's presidency."

While George W Bush wrecked the country "through rank incompetence", Mr Obama "is simply handing the Republicans the keys to the house and saying 'take what you want'," he said in the Daily Beast.

In the New Republic, Jonathan Chait said: "There's a limit to how much faith one can place in a man who has so badly misjudged his political opponents time and time again."


This says it all!
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:37 PM
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3. First, he's not misjudged them. Second, they're not his opponents.
We are his opponents, apparently. :(
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:40 PM
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5. Bernie Sanders also called it "immoral" om the Senate Floor (just now)

"That is IMMORAL!
That is WRONG!
And that is BAD Economic Policy!"

"Mr President, that is a BAD proposal.
We CAN do better!
We MUST do better!"
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:02 PM
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10. Anyone who claims Bush was incompetent, rather than thoroughly corrupt,
is stupid.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:27 PM
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26. It's possible to be both. Bush was. n/t
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:12 PM
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37. But the writer said incompetent, didn't he?
Saying incompetent but not corrupt indicates to me that the writer meant incompetent.

What's your opinion?

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:54 PM
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38. Definitely corrupt. There are different flavors of incompetent.
Was he incompetent in the sense that he didn't know what Cheney, Rove, and others were doing and had no role in it? Nope. Was he incompetent in the sense that he probably couldn't have foreseen the long-term consequences of his actions even if he had troubled himself to ponder them? Hell, yes. He was (and probably is) largely indifferent to the consequences of his actions, and I think that springs from being over-privileged, lazy, and not very bright.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:36 PM
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:38 PM
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4. If I had wanted moderate republican policies I would've voted for John McCain...
this is NOT what I voted for!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:41 PM
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:25 PM
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17. Candidate Obama was actually the speech writers
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:07 PM
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30. Funny, I remember his speeches being about compromise and finding the center
Incorporating ideas from Republicans and not trying to inflexibly have things his way all the time. Did you listen to the speeches? The last thing they were was a promise of decisive progressive action.
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:14 PM
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35. obviously you must have missed the majority of his speeches then
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:49 PM
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7. The supreme immorality of this so called deal is an indictment of
the President's alleged deep faith in an anti marriage equality Goddy God. The Jesus types loathe this shit he is into. He needs to shove his 'I'm a one man one woman Christian' bullshit where the sun don't shine. He is a bigot and a reckless egotist hiding behind dogma he clearly rejects.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 01:49 PM
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8. We let Republicans get voted in at the Nov. 2010 election. It's our fault.
They're eating our lunch because we didn't FIGHT for what we believe in. Now we have to FIGHT to get what we believe in. And continue to fight for it.

What is the quote about the price of freedom is eternal vigilance?
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:00 PM
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9. What's this"we" shit?
I voted along with the other 2 eligible voters in my household and we voted for the democrats on the ballot...
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:12 PM
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12. "We" is everyone who should have voted democratic, or shown up to vote at all.
I voted for Democrats as well.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 07:24 PM
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20. Then perhaps the use of the inclusive 'we' isn't
appropriate.

I was one southerner who was trying to warn people about the teabaggers (average southern republican, just louder) and I'm sorry their shit has spread to other states.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:53 PM
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23. No, independents broke for the Republicans over jobs, the idiots.
It wasn't us.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:08 PM
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11. I didn't let the Republicans in
I voted and my 2010 senator and US Rep are Democrats.

Be careful who you accuse of letting the Republicans win in 2010. Obama and the Dem leadership did a lot to depress the base, including many of the young people and those who got involved in politics for the first time in 2008.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:44 PM
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13. Democrats in office didn't fight for , or
believe in anything. Can't vote for what isn't there. we voted
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 02:52 PM
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14. Why do you think people didn't vote for Democrats in the off year election?

Because Obama and his Democratic politicians were too progressive and hard on Republicans?

The economy was far worse in November 2010 than it was when Obama took office.

It will be even worse in November 2012.

Who do you think people will blame for this failure to put America back to work and end the economic crisis for working people?

The Republican "tea party" faction or President Obama?
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:20 PM
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36. K&R. His mantra should have been "It's the jobs, stupid", not
trying to become Mr. Popularity with the Rethugs.
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jeff47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:24 PM
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15. What you mean "we"
We fought. Obama and the Dems in the senate gave up.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:51 PM
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27. Problem is we don't believe in what Obama and the Blue Dogs believe in
so it is hard for us to get behind electing them.

We need candidates who represent what we believe in.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:09 AM
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29. It is up to the candidates (and their proxies) to motivate the electorate.
Feel free to blame the electorate if it makes you feel better.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:12 PM
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16. I think he enjoys roasting over open coals.....
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 04:13 PM by nc4bo
some people enjoy painful activities.

And we all assume that the President is actually interested in serving a 2nd term. Maybe he could care less?.

Forgot to add the :shrug:

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:56 PM
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18. What do they propose as a solution to this problem?
why are they not mad at the teabaggers instead?

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 07:24 PM
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21. Because the teabaggers aren't betraying them?
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 07:25 PM by ibegurpard
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:51 PM
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22. Holy crap! You admit to following the teabaggers!
They have not betrayed you , so follow them! They have strong leaders!
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:17 PM
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19. Got to wonder what he will do if he gets re-eleted.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 10:54 PM
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24. I don't know how much more of these victories we can take. n/t
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:21 PM
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25. ***
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 09:19 AM
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28. 'Satin Sandwich' I think that's Christian speak for 'Sh1t Sandwich'!!!!
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:10 PM
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31. Interesting.



Sounds like something you'd find at Bed Bath and Beyond.


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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:00 PM
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32. LOL. Oops!
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:11 PM
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33. Thanks.


I wasn't trying to be snarky, glad you saw it that way.
I've had my share of similar moments.


:thumbsup: :hi: :thumbsup:


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 02:31 PM
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34. Democrats turned their fire on the President on January 20, 2009
and haven't looked back since.

Many of these Democrats are also playing the dual role as tools of the Republican party, all the while accusing the President of being a Republican himself! That's the irony of it all.

Yes, it does appear that many Democrats are projecting onto the President their very own qualities; of being cowards who can only effectively fight their own side, name calling and all, but cannot seem to muster enough strength and unity to fight the actual Republican opposition. Same Democrats also appear to believe that ignoring the fact that there is a 60+ majority vote in the house, a place that controls the nation's purse string is only a small fact that has no standing as long as the President beats his chest loudly for a really, really long time while not giving in an inch. In fact, these folks would be as willing as the teabaggers to crash the entire world just so they can brag to have been accurate in their glorious self serving analysis.
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