When did it be cool on DU to celebrate the cuts?

I like defense cuts, but other than that the cuts are going to do so much more harm than good...and that's just looking at it from a big-picture/economic standpoint...

or triggers...

to their assinine cheering.

"Yay, we just fucked the name of the democratic party for generations to come..."

I think most around here are pretty grim.

The usual DLC clowns and Obamabots are the celebrators.

I guess I missed the party. What bothers me is that so many; do not understand that
entitlements are on the block now. The denial here is profound. How can we fight this when
so many refuse to even recognize the crisis?

that "unintended consequence" feel to them.

We do not cut our way out of a recession... yep, in some ways 1937 comes to mind, or the lost decade in Japan

There's a lot of wasteful military spending, but soldier pay, health and psychological care, and benefits are not in that category. I want to see those cuts itemized before I support them.

I haven't seen a list from this bill. Do you have a link, so I can go look at them? As far as I know, there aren't a lot of details available - just general stuff.

I like defense cuts, too. I'd like them to be much larger.

Once again, it's been assigned to a 'catfood commission'

A good piece of news, however, is that at least in the immediate future, SS and Medicare are safe:

In a key concession to Democrats, benefits from entitlements including Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare -- as well as veterans benefits -- will be exempt from any immediate cuts.

but you're against all the stuff you don't know about that might be in the bill. OK, I get it now. You don't know what else is cut, but you don't like anyhow.

Not really conducive to discussion

And yes, none of us KNOW what's in there

But we have an idea, based on what people have said

And ANY cuts, ANY cuts would be a bad idea

Even defense, but I think that's a long time coming

I mean, here on DU, that was the predominate view ... Obama was hell-bent on using the debt ceiling to make drastic cuts to those programs.

Why didn't that happen?

If they are not worried about what they are doing, why is it such a secret?

We do know what is going to happen on the Republican side of the 'Super Congress' though and it's not good news.



Do the math. Over a trillion cuts to 'domestic spending'. What do you think that means?

Domestic spending covers a lot of ground, and it may be just that general in the language of the bill. I imagine that the actual cuts are not yet defined, unless they're across the board cuts. But I don't know. Why is it a secret? Well from my perspective as an guy in Minnesota, I don't know that, either.

My point is that none of us know, so it's tough to say much about this bill, one way or the other. Like many bills, the effects will not be known until long after it passes. I don't emote about things until I know what those things are. There's no point.

For example, I had a head and neck MRI once, to try to figure out what was going on with an annoying symptom. Could have been a face and neck cancer. Could have been lots of things. I had the MRI, and then I waited for the results. Turned out to be nothing important. Had I worked myself up into a frenzy over the worst case scenario, that would have been a very bad thing. So, I waited to find out the results. I do that with everything before deciding how to react. Keeps my blood pressure low and my mind clear.

:shrug:

When we know, I'm sure we will.

Hence the calling your reps etc...

nov 2008. maybe before. just sayin.

If that doesn't work, I got nothing.

a centrist president has made centrist ideas about the economy much more popular. Not just at DU, but in polls.

who are either celebrating or pretending this deal is not so bad. As long as Obama is the president, they will give approval to anything he does, some folks have an authoritarian mindset.

In my book, cutting 2.5 trillion in a lot of social programs is not something to celebrate, unless you are a right wing republican or a tea party member.

eliminate the ninnies and the twits

We just have to learn to like it.
Then the MSM joined in and said the Democrats were obstructionists to cutting the deficits in this country.

MSNBC even rolled out the Tom Brokaw automatron this morning for Joe Scarbrow's progeam and he slurred like he was drunk at 6 AM in the morning saying that "no one likes it, but there you have it. Both parties are at fault and no one likes these cuts, but they are necessary."

Tom said it, so it must be true, right?

Then Tom made a funny comment about Barney Frank quoting some ancient comedy routine and Tom was at his finest saying that Senator Durbin had better use a funnier line than Frank did or no one would listen to the rest of what he had to say.
And then they all chuckled and laughed and acted like there would be popcorn available for this afternoon's matinee.

those cuts need to be folded into better uses to stimulate and invest or they also become a net negative and do absolutely nothing but create more unemployment and less demand which means the economy sinks further.

Military cuts can easily become a fucked up wet dream and done haphazardly with no change in mission leaves us and/or our personnel in a bad spot. Real cuts mean shutting down Pax Americana or getting out of the nuke business in addition to the wars.

Mainly, we need no reductions in demand or any fewer jobs. You can't make cuts in this environment and not reallocate. That goes for as far as the eye can see.

all his "victories" are just peachy and should be celebrated. :sarcasm: