Ok TPM reports the Progressive Caucus ain't voting for this

shit sandwich... and we have heard the Tea Parties won't either...

Whipping this will be hard...

Ryan and others are going on and on (CSpan) about how good this shit sandwich is and they will be voting for it.

would not vote for anything that touches entitlements.

spinning how they have support for this bill but their body language is indicating they don't. The baggers may be in rebellion.

:sarcasm:

I must a DU'er for that one.

It would be nice if we could get a bipartisan effort to block this deal from going through. No matter that the two faction would be voting against it for different reasons.

So it will be up the both party's Centers. Fine with me.

this is getting ugly. and no default is not a good thing... but I fear it is coming.

We can still lose 40 conservative dems and pass this if Boehner sells his non-tea party members.

Bernie is on M$NBComcast

And the structural flaw is revealed...

about how horrible a negotiator he is.

If Harry Truman was alive today, he'd be hard pressed to see Obama as a Democrat.

There are some Democrats that will stand up for what's right : )

They could explain how they don't appreciate that Obama's expecting them to all jeopardize their election chances because Obama doesn't want to take ANY risks in confronting the right and the corporate interests.

The progressive caucus should tell him:
1) They don't want to have to explain to their constituents why they voted to SCREW them with this bill, and that they want Obama to own it like he should.
2) That if he uses the 14th amendment, then likely this whole mess can be averted and the right can just go be told to go back in the corner and suck on their budget cuts.
3) He has a BETTER chance of getting impeached if they don't approve this bill if he DOESN'T use the 14th amendment, because the right could sue him for NOT rescuing the country by using the 14th amendment as opposed to using it to do the right thing and rescuing the country. Not using the 14th would have BOTH sides angry at him for messing up the country's economy, as well as not taking the risks to do the right thing, making one question where his loyalties really are. Progressives are more apt to cut a deal to let them impeach and convict him (perhaps to also get rid of Clarence Thomas) if he doesn't use the 14th amendment.
4) Using the 14th amendment, and showing he's got the capacity to stick up for all of us people against corporate interests would be a HUGE rallying point of support for him in the 2012 election and would help him turn out volunteers in droves. Not doing so might just kill his reelection chances.
5) Tom Harkin noted that in the past when presidents might have "bent the rules" on constitutional issues, if they were doing the right thing that the people supported, no threats of things like impeachment were made. Saving the economy as a "crime" is not really the same thing as "getting a blowjob in the whitehouse". I believe that the right and the corporate media is bluffing for this impeachment thing. They don't have anything to fight with there. But maybe he wants it that way too so he has an excuse not to use it.

The House Progressive Caucus is voting no and again calling on Obama to invoke the 14th Amendment (which I presume means to remove the ceiling altogether).