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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:53 PM
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We should very happy about the trigger
not only does it protect the Big 3, but it gives us something we haven't had before... leverage. The GOP during negotiations on the Bush taxes cuts and the debt ceiling has been able to hold hostage Democratic priorities votes on DADT, START Treaty, extending unemployment and not crashing the world economy. But now we have leverage on the one area of government they do care about protecting military spending not even the tea party has been able to get the establishment crowd on this issue. You may remember earlier this year when Boner passed a defense spending bill over cries from the tea party kiddie table. Moreover, the leverage causes immediate pain, before the consquences in GOP's eyes was down the road. If umemployment doesn't get extended they're thinking they have until November 2012 to create a lie about it. Simply, for once, we just won't be trying to protect something we like while the other side could care less.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:54 PM
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1. Yeah, I'm thrilled. It is the one crisp leaf of lettuce on the shit sandwich.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:56 PM
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3. Not an elegant metaphor,
But an apt one.

Glad I wasn't eating lunch when I read it.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 03:55 PM
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2. Actually I think there has been a sea change. The rich no longer care to support a military so it
will soon be dismantled. That's why they gave that bargaining chip up. Heads they win, tails they win.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:01 PM
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4. Most of the mainstream rich aren't getting any piece of that pie so
they probably could care less.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:01 PM
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5. Maybe so. Military spending about equals what we actually take in so if they want further
cuts they'll have to kill the fatted calf or at least shave it, even if they kill all social spending.

I tend to think they need Pax Americana and want the proceeds from those lucrative Prime contracts, at least for a good while yet so it will be interesting to see how this goes.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:02 PM
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6. What about OCO (the Overseas Contingencies Operations fund)? Couldn't Rs just
reverse any defense cuts triggered by the debt-ceiling bill with supplemental appropriations from this fund?

See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1634127&mesg_id=1634278 /
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 04:02 PM
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7. That's a good point
They are probably talking "caving" over defense cuts. If there is one thing they want to spend $$ on, it's that.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:17 PM
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8. A number aren't voting for it because
of the defense cut trigger

GOP Reps Uneasy About Triggered Defense Cuts
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/gop-reps-uneasy-about-triggered-defense-cuts.php
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