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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:42 PM
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Just think if John Kerry had won in 2004
All this nonsense wouldn't be the way it is now. Damn, the United States of America blew it so badly when they re-elected Bush!!

That act alone may have doomed our country for decades, if we ever recover.

So many things would be different today with a super intelligent and liberal Democrat guy like John Kerry as President...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:44 PM
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1. Ohio :(
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:44 PM
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2. Or Gore in 2000.
Oh wait...HE DID!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:49 PM
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7. That's the gaping wound
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 05:50 PM by BeyondGeography
What a way to start a century.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:56 PM
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18. For me, it will NEVER heal.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:07 PM
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23. We are one of the few democracies...
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 09:07 PM by Tiggeroshii
where you could win the national popular vote by more than half a million votes and still lose the election...
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:44 PM
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3. kerry concede before we even woke up next morning here in california nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:47 PM
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5. I will admit that was an awful morning. Switch on tv while getting kid ready for school and WTF?
I really had no idea what to tell teen-kid who'd volunteered for Kerry.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:55 PM
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9. I was literally sick to my stomach and in disbelief... n/t
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:51 PM
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20. Nah. Don't matter what the Senator does, it's never, ever good enough
Go figure.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:30 PM
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25. What would you suggest to be told to the teen who'd volunteered and didn't understand
why he was conceding?

I very much liked Kerry, was very excited to have him run. He was the first person I'd volunteered for for ages. I don't understand your comment, the snideness and whatever, snarking at me. Explain, please. Thank you.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:04 AM
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29. No not you :)
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 12:12 AM by politicasista
Was reacting to the bash post below. Me know you like Senator Kerry. Congrats to you and your teen on volunteering for the campaign. It had to have been a fun experience for you and your family. First time voter in 04 and while everything was bittersweet, it was still fun to exercise my right to vote. (Maybe it's being thin skinned a playing along with Obama/Kerry/Gore comparisons/campaigns).


Apologies. Peace. :)







On edit, apologies for snark, wasn't the intent.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:22 AM
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39. Slowest concession in modern history. Gore conceded early and then UNconceded when the math changed
while the math Kerry had when he finally conceded the next day was not in favor, but, did trigger a recount. Unfortunately, Ohio's recount laws were set up ONLY for a percentage of the vote. And DNC in the years prior NEVER made securing election process a priority in Ohio or any other crucial electoral state.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:45 PM
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4. Kerry did win. He walked away the day after the election.
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 05:46 PM by RC
Did not contest wholesale election fraud.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:52 PM
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8. Surrounded by idiots.
Including John Edwards.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:03 PM
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10. only republicans want something badly enough to fight for it, cheat for it
bully for it.. It's why they "win".. they never accept the fact that they may lose..and even when they do lose (it happens occasionally), they do not wander off into the weeds and wait their turn again..they plot and maneuver and throw monkeywrenches from the sidelines until they ruin the accomplishments of their successors, and knowing the public's short attention span, they come roaring back as saviour/commander
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:18 PM
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12. I'm stealing your post.
It is spot on.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:25 PM
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13. Be my guest.. They are a force to be reckoned with
and unfortunately, our side likes to play nice..

It's like determining the winner of the Tour de France... you can train & train & spend lots of money & time on bicycles and try to win the race that way, or you can stand by the road with a broomstick and determine the winner by that means..Republicans mass market broomsticks, and they are not shy about using them.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 05:49 PM
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6. Maybe. My impression of Kerry is that he is just as spineless as Obama
And I don't trust Yalie Skull n Bonesmen.

The real turning point was Gore being denied the Presidency by the Supreme Court in 2000.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:04 PM
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21. Ted Kennedy would take exception to your comment. Would love to hear you say that to their faces
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 09:16 PM by politicasista
There is no lawmaker alive that has exposed more government corruption than Senator Kerry. Wait, the filibuster against Alito was "spineless." Obama is just like Bush, really! There are lot of people that have met Kerry and Obama in person would say otherwise.

You sound like Faux news or a member of the Professional Left, or maybe you bitter that your favorite Democrat/liberal progressive isn't doing anything.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:35 PM
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28. I see you came to Du a month after me, shortly after the 2004 election. Why such a nasty post?
Why post such nasty stuff? Why make it into personal attacks rather than addressing the issues?
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:06 AM
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30. Because the person attacked Kerry and Obama as "spineless"
and felt they needed some defense against false RW memes. :shrug:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:10 PM
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11. The first time I ever cried over an election result. n/t
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:16 AM
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35. Me too.
In my car, on my way to school, listening to the concession speech. And later. And that's when and why I found DU and other similar virtual places, neede some virtual hugs REALLY bad :-(.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:26 PM
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14. It would have been Gore's second term.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:30 PM
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15. He did. The vote was stolen in Ohio. nt
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:17 AM
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34. .. and in New Mexico, Iowa and Nevada. Votes also flipped for Bush in 13 other states.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 06:22 AM by Fly by night
The evidence was overwhelming (as Robert Koehler described it, it was "the silent scream of numbers"). So is (and was) the silence from the media and all Democratic politicians besides the handful who voted against accepting the Ohio electors.

We no longer live in a country where votes (and voting) matters. That makes this small "d" democrat want to puke. And then move.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:32 PM
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16. Just think...HE DID WIN, and SO DID GORE. We are bereft of FIGHTERS. nt
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 06:49 PM
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17. He very well may have.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1636366&mesg_id=1636366
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 08:42 PM
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19. Not suprised that there are haters in this thread
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 09:12 PM by politicasista
And in the media, like a new progressive MSNBC person who said Kerry was just like Romney as a "flip-flopper." Some (not all) Obama supporters on DU believe it so it must be true. :sarcasm:


This thread is interesting, though don't have no problems with Obama. On the fence about the Debt thing though.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:07 PM
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22. That election hurt me to my core, and it still does. Even more than 2000.
In 2000 I had no idea what was to come.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 09:32 PM
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24. Me too
Edited on Mon Aug-01-11 10:26 PM by BeFree
The alert was out and about concerning how the voting machines were fixed.

And it all just went under the dam. The blatant theft and the subsequent ignoring of the theft left a scar which will never heal. Until then I had hope America could right itself. That hope was crushed with 4 more years of the biggest criminals in the history of the nation taking power away from it's rightful owners.

That theft, coupled with the ignoring of the truth about 9/11, makes me wonder why I even give a shit any more.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:31 PM
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26. But he didn't.
And none of us really know what would've happened.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:56 PM
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41. He did if you look at the numbers.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 11:32 PM
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27. Just think if the DLC hadn't torpedoed Dean and run their guy Kerry.
Dean would've trounced Bush* beyond his ability to steal it in Ohio.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:15 AM
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37. Your perception of what happened is whacked - Dean GOVERNED as a centrist and only moved left during
the course of the primary while Kerry's lifetime record in government was clearly left.

Furthermore, even though your claim that DLC supported Kerry in the primary is false (DLC hated Kerry), you really think the DLC's campaign against Dean was tougher than anything BushInc would unleash during the general? Try some perspective based in REALITY.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:12 AM
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31. He did and then folded like a cheap tent in a hurricane.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:13 AM
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32. Yep. Let's blame ONLY Kerry
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 12:16 AM by politicasista
rather than an inept DNC Chair and Democrats that sat back and did nothing.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:22 AM
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33. Kerry conceded and did NOTHING!!!!
I'm ashamed I worked my ass off for him. He didn't deserve it.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:18 AM
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36. Absurd
As is fighting agian and again these old "battles"
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:47 PM
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40. Didn't fight any battles with me, I was a Kerry guy but he folded.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:20 AM
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38. So, how's Kerry going to vote on the Boehner/Obama Screw the People Bill?
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 11:57 PM
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42. I'm sure he gave an impassioned speech about how he didn't like the bill but would vote for it :-(
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