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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:42 AM
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Nancy Pelosi voted FOR this debt ceiling deal
what message is she sending?
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:43 AM
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1. That she didn't want to default?
:shrug:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:44 AM
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3. +1. n/t
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:18 AM
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19. +2 Thank you Nancy.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:44 AM
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2. That a shit sandwich is better than starving to death? nt
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:44 AM
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4. I lost respect for Pelosi when she singlehandedly decided that
she wasn't going to uphold the Constitution.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:45 AM
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5. Yes, all 4 leaders agreed to it last night; that's why it got where it got to.
Message? 'Its the best we can do.' Maybe, 'Its better than it appears.'

http://bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2011/08/upon-further-examination.html
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:45 AM
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6. When asked, she also agreed that it was a "satan sandwich with a side of satan fries"
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:46 AM
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7. "Impeachment is off the table."
She always eventually bends after a few words to give a different impression.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:55 AM
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10. I've noticed that.
I've never trusted her since she took impeachment off the table. She tries to play both sides, but in the end she always comes down on the side of the PTB.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:50 AM
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8. That its actually a good deal if you read up on it?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheet-victory-bipartisan-compromise-economy-american-people

No actual cuts until 2013.

Bush tax cuts expire, guaranteed.

Military spending cut 600 billion - the first time since the 90's they've been "on the table".

Medicare and SS untouched (so far, of course)

Universal healthcare funded and still on track

...and of course a sound-government responsible fiscal policy, that Clinton and plenty of other old-school democrats would approve of. The other side has a tendency to leave a big mess, while our side has a tendency to get things back on track.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:53 AM
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9. All tax brackets got cuts in the Bush tax cuts.
Does that mean ALL brackets are going back up?
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:07 AM
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14. Yes, but the bulk of it went to the wealthy
It was actually the largest transfer of wealth upward ever, and ending then will mean finally turning the corner back toward an increase in wealth equality in this country.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:10 AM
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17. Yes, I realize that it was large. I'm just curious if my rates are going up.
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Pigheaded Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:41 AM
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33. I hope all rates go way up
.gov can use the money better than I can.


PH
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:58 AM
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12. "Bush tax cuts expire, guaranteed." REALLY? Wasn't that guaranteed LAST YEAR?? N/T
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:10 AM
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18. Scheduled last year, fought over and held hostage last year...
but now it would be much more complicated and costly to try to extend them. If I have heard right, the net effect would be that both the defense budget and domestic spending would have to be cut to offset the lost revenue, the way things have been woven together in the current deal.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:24 AM
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21. Oh yeah, a White House link telling us Medicare and SS untouched . hahahahaha
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 10:02 AM
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34. Its a summary of what the bill does and requires
and it does nothing to SS and Medicare, and requires nothing to be done to them. Obama's long-stated goal there was to gain savings by pursuing waste and fraud, which is a part of the committee's agenda. I don't know why that's controversial, or why people are so convinced after all this time that he has ulterior motives. Why would he?
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:56 AM
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11. It's not the message, it's the hostage situation
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 12:57 AM by FarLeftFist
This default would have probably hurt the middle class alot more than the rich, once again the republicans took America hostage. It was simultaneously comedic and heartbreaking all at the same time. It was such an open display of political theater I've ever seen. What we just witnessed was democracy in it's lowest form. Nancy HAD to vote for the bill because even though we control the House and the Senate somehow WE"RE the ones on the defensive. We're at the point where we are just trying to salvage instead of progress. We're clinging on to keeping a middle class while the republicans are decimating it.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 12:59 AM
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13. Was is procedural or an actual "yes" vote?
Do you know the difference? Are you just looking at votes without understanding what and why and how they happen?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:08 AM
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16. Nancy has put up the good fight. AS LEADER of DEMs
she had to vote to keep the country from defaulting.

At least she permitted her members to vote their conscience.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 01:42 AM
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22. The same as she always has.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-11 01:54 AM by pa28
Remember the TAARP debate? She gave a speech that went something to effect of 'when was the last time someone asked you for 700 billion dollars?' but then supported the bill.

Same thing with the Bush tax cut extension. She voiced her opposition but then signed on because of the . . . circumstances.

I think Rep. Pelosi's heart is in the right place and I really admire her but we need to start thinking about Congressional leadership that is willing to take a stand for traditional party values. Rep. DeFazio comes to mind but I'm sure there are more.
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Kennah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:32 AM
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23. Heard that it ain't kicking the can down the road, but I say it is.
The Democratic leadership, in the White House and the Congress, decided we'll eat this shit sandwich, the American people will blame the GOOP, and we'll keep the White House and regain the Congress in 2012. Then we can undo it.

It's a nice idea, for them now, and eventually for all of us, assuming it works.

Just watched "127 Hours" tonight. Can't help but feel this debt deal is cutting off at least one of our arms because of a boulder that smashed it, the GOOP told us where to place our hand and launched the boulder, and we knew about it all in advance but went along with it anyway.
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divvy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:36 AM
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24. The same one she sent when she, Obama, and Reid attacked Wiener.
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RandiFan1290 Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 04:39 AM
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25. That the Washington Generals really tried this time?
:rofl:



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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:25 AM
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26. She gave a horrible rambling endless speech before the vote.
In the end the party leadership is spineless.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:41 AM
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27. That I shouldn't vote for her --
next time she runs? :shrug: As a constituent, I let her know loud and clear my thought on this "deal" and what my response was to be should she vote for it.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 06:50 AM
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28. All hat
and no Cowgirl.

(If she had been a man, cowboy)
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:38 AM
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32. Plenty of arsenic to go with her fine lace
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:33 AM
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29. She is in the top leadership
Maybe she supports the bill over defaulting, or maybe she doesn't support the bill. But as Minority Leader in the House she has access to the President to directly argue her case that most Representitives never get. That comes with her position. So does closing ranks in public with the President whenever possible after the private discussions end.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:36 AM
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30. Message, maybe that she wished to forfeit..
any Speaker of the House gig in the future?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-11 07:38 AM
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31. We have no firewall against the hostage takers? Disaster politics isn't limited to one party?
It's the money party protecting itself?
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