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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:08 PM
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READ IT AND WEEP! Bernie Sanders email:
Dear ******,

The $2.5 trillion deficit reduction deal that was agreed to by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, House Speaker John Boehner, and President Obama is grotesquely unfair. It is also bad economic policy that, in the midst of a terrible recession, will lead to the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs.

At a time when the wealthiest people in this country are doing extremely well, and when their effective tax rate is the lowest in decades, the rich will not be asked to contribute one penny more for deficit reduction. When corporate profits are soaring and a number of giant corporations are able to completely avoid federal income taxes because of obscene loop-holes in the tax code, corporate America will not be asked to contribute one penny more for deficit reduction. On the other hand, working families, children, the sick and the elderly, many of whom are already suffering because of the recession, are being asked to shoulder 100 percent of the human cost of lowering our deficit.

The corporate media which, by and large, has covered this debate as if it were a baseball game with political “winners and losers,” has neglected to tell the American people what the implications of this deficit reduction agreement are. Let me take this opportunity to do that.

The first round of $917 billion in discretionary cuts over the next 10 years will begin in the 2012 budget. Although nobody can predict exactly what programs will be cut and by how much because those decisions will be made over the coming months and years by the appropriation committees, here’s what working families can look forward to:

· At a time when there are long waiting lists for affordable childcare and Head Start, it is likely that these programs will be significantly cut.

· At a time when the United States is falling further and further behind other countries in the terms of the quality of our education, it is likely that tens of thousands of teachers and school personnel will be laid off.

· At a time when working class families are finding it harder and harder to send their kids to college, it is likely that there will be cutbacks in federal student aid programs.

· At a time when hunger among seniors and children is rising, it is likely that there will be cutbacks in various nutrition programs.

· At a time when 50 million Americans have no health insurance and many of them are utilizing community health centers as their medical homes, it is likely that there will be cuts in primary healthcare.

· At a time when states, cities and towns have already laid off over 500,000 public service employees, it is likely that there will be even more lay-offs in police and fire protection, and large reductions in federal support for roads, bridges, water quality, sewage and public transportation.


Further, there will likely be cuts in home heating assistance, affordable housing, support for family based agriculture, and research in finding cures for cancer and other diseases.

In addition, there will likely be major staffing reductions in agencies which are trying to protect the physical health and economic well-being of our people. It is quite likely that the EPA, which enforces the rules regarding clean water and clean air, will be cut. The SEC, which regulates against the greed and recklessness of Wall Street, will be undermined. It is also very possible that the Social Security Administration, which assures that seniors and the disabled receive the benefits to which they are entitled in a timely manner, will also be cut.

That is just some of what will likely happen as a result of the first $900 billion in cuts in this $2.5 trillion deficit reduction package.

The second phase of this legislation calls for the establishment of a Super Committee composed of 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans from the House and 3 Democrats and 3 Republicans from the Senate. Let's be clear. The mandate for this 12 member Super Committee is to look at EVERY program of the federal government and come up with $1.5 trillion more in savings. This means that, at a time when the Republicans and an increased number of Democrats are calling for major cuts in Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, all of these programs will be on the chopping block.

If the committee is unable to reach an agreement with a majority vote, there will then be a "sequestration" process which would require $500 billion in cuts to defense spending and $500 billion more in across-the-board cuts to domestic discretionary spending. In that scenario, Social Security, Medicare benefits and Medicaid would be spared, but even more draconian cuts would occur in programs that sustain working families.


Here is the great irony with regard to the deficit reduction process that we have just gone through:

In poll after poll, the American people have made it clear that they believe in shared sacrifice. Instead of putting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, education and environmental protection on the chopping block, the American people have said that they believe the best way to reduce the deficit is to end tax breaks for the wealthy, big oil, and Wall Street and take a hard look at military spending. Yet, the budget deal just approved does the exact opposite of what the American people want. The wealthy and large corporations contribute nothing while there will be a major reduction in services for working families and the most vulnerable people in our country.

Enough is enough! The American people must fight back. We need a government which represents all the people, not just the wealthy, campaign contributors and lobbyists. In these tough and discouraging times, despair is not an option. This fight is not just for us, it is for our children and grandchildren and for the environmental survival of the planet.



Bernie
Senator Bernie Sanders
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:10 PM
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1. Preach from the mountain tops Bernie! Maybe a few of these nitwits will listen.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:12 PM
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2. Doubtful.
Rec.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #1
43. he's the only one who keeps me going. I love him.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #43
56. There are others in Congress who are saying the same thing..
A number of progressive/liberal Democrats in Congress who are nor as visible or forceful but are advocating in the same way as Bernie. They should be acknowledged too.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #43
61. Me too
He's one of the few politicians I trust, believe in and look up to. If Bernie runs, he has my full support. If he backs another candidate, he or she has my full support. He wants what's best for this country, not what will benefit him personally. That's pretty rare these days.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #43
194. Sen. Bernie Sanders should be our next president --
Bernie could run on a Dem ticket --

maybe a joint ticket?

We could have a Democratic/Socialist Party -- !!


We have about 6 months to convince him to run -- !!

We need two strong anti-war candidates --


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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #194
215. +1
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #215
231. +1
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #194
256. He is not President now and therefore did not have to deal with
the Republicans. There is no reason to believe anyone could have done better with this mess. It's just looking for a savior rather than dealing with reality.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #256
276. Right ... I can't wait until Dems ONLY control the House ... so we can run everything -- !!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #276
279. Self Delete
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 04:39 PM by markpkessinger
Delete
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Fantastic Anarchist Donating Member (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #194
261. I'd definitely go for that.
Give 'em hell, Bernie!
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SugarShack Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #1
125. Everyone should send him 5 bucks! I did.
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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #125
178. I will too....
and I promise that if he decides to primary Obama (I doubt he will), I will send him $500, which I both cannot afford right now, and yet cannot afford not to. He is one of the good ones, and they are a VERY rare breed these days.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #125
195. OK -- plus a note asking him to run for President --
We could have a Democratic/Socialist ticket -- !!!

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:12 PM
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3. In the meantime, we pay 16Bill to re build Afganistan's roads. Sick.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:15 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. It really is sick that we spend money in war zones and upkeep on military bases
when this country is in a world of hurt! It's disgusting.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. Washington and Corporations overeaching as usual. But WE are paying for this. Enough.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #4
192. Elites need perpetual wars for their own profit and as a cover for their abuses ....
Patriot Act, being one --

Homeland Security, TSA -- wiretapping, failure to prosecut Bush administration

for TORTURE --

Corporate crime --

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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:29 PM
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20. And who is the beneficiary? Is it to give easier access to the US bases being built?
GARDEZ, Afghanistan — When construction crews faced attacks while working on a major American-financed highway here in southeastern Afghanistan, Western contractors turned to a powerful local figure named simply Arafat, who was suspected to have links to Afghanistan’s insurgents.

Subcontractors, flush with American money, paid Mr. Arafat at least $1 million a year to keep them safe, according to people involved in the project and Mr. Arafat himself.

The money paid to Mr. Arafat bought neither security nor the highway that American officials have long envisioned as a vital route to tie remote border areas to the Afghan government. Instead, it added to the staggering cost of the road, known as the Gardez-Khost Highway, one of the most expensive and troubled transportation projects in Afghanistan. The 64-mile highway, which has yet to be completed, has cost about $121 million so far, with the final price tag expected to reach $176 million — or about $2.8 million a mile — according to American officials. Security alone has cost $43.5 million so far, U.S.A.I.D. officials said.

-snip

Development officials hoped that the road would better link Afghanistan’s strategic border region to the central government in the capital, Kabul, and encourage commerce. The military hoped it would provide faster access for supplies and fresh troops.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/world/asia/01road.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1?du
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. Another example of Congressional insanity
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #3
190. Yikes! Didn't know that --- but did know we're paying KBR $1,000 per gallon for gasoline ...
in Afghanistan -- which would keep a helicopter in the air for about a minute.

Also we're spending more on air conditioning for our troops in ME than we're

spending on NASA!!

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #3
193. Most people don't even know that.
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 12:41 AM by Mimosa
I heard we need the roads and a railroad system there to transport the minerals to make our future I-Pads, computers and flatscreens. They are not made from NOTHING!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #3
220. And even if we do pay to rebuild the shit, does it get done, and if it gets done, who blows it up
next week?
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:41 AM
Response to Reply #3
232. how about $20 Billion a year for air conditioning the war machine
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #232
258. We've had two family friends serve in Afghan./the weather is brutal.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #258
268. all the more reason to get them the hell out, don't you think?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #268
278. I protested both wars in vain.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:16 PM
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6. Yes, Mitch McConnell's proposal - which you "embraced" - would have been so much better, St. Bernie!
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 06:24 PM by ClarkUSA
:sarcasm:

"Although nobody can predict exactly what programs will be cut and by how much because those decisions will be made over the coming months and years by the appropriation committees" then St. Bernie goes on to do just that.

He should be asking people to work hard towards taking back the House from GOP control because that's who's pushing for all these cuts.
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. I think Obama WANTS THE PUBLIC TO FIGHT. NFM.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #10
42. and save him the trouble. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #42
191. +1 --
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:15 AM
Response to Reply #42
219. So, you're okay with a passive country?
One of the reasons this country is in such a mess is because people are complacent, and they want others to fight their battles for them. Bunch of sheep. The President as absolutely correct in wanting people to stand up for themselves--for a change.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #219
235. No, I object to a passive president.
With the people of Wisconsin in the streets and occupying the state house, where was he? Were his comfortable walking shoes getting re-soled?

If he wants the people to fight, he needs to show them that they have HIS support.

This must be the most conflict-averse president I've seen in my lifetime.

Leaders lead by example. If he wants people to fight, HE needs to fight first. Otherwise, his inaction and indifference are a clear signal that the peoples' fight is NOT what he wants.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #10
44. fight what? What does he truly have as a plan. I am still waiting to
know clearly. I do like his rhetoric, empty thing that it is.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #44
59. You might take some time to look at his website -- all the way back to the 90's
You will find ideas and plans there.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #44
65. PS I was referring to Sanders in my other reply
If you were referring to Obama.....Nevermind.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. or taking back the president from GOP control lol, either one works for us nt
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. Bill Clinton is no longer president.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #16
60. Might as well be -- But Clinton was more liberal than Obama
Never thought I'd be saying that.....But at least Clinton did fight the GOP, and recently suggested the 14th Amendment answer
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. Yeah, love how Bubba re-regulated Wall Street and repealed DADT.... oh no, wait....
:sarcasm:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #64
78. How did you view Clinton at the time? Just curious if DU had been around back then...
if you would have been sniping at people who criticized Clinton on things like that.

By the way, there was intended irony in that post.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:50 PM
Original message
if his checks were good i would say favorably
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:58 PM
Response to Original message
166. +1000
No shit.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:26 PM
Response to Original message
179. I would hope his hiring practices were a little more stringent
Subtlety is important in such things.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #64
266. Explain for us how Wall Street is not regulated.
You love this talking point, but you lack any knowledge of the subject.

And please look up a history of gays in the military. Your frequent use of this is offensive and ignorant.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #266
280. Clinton signed into law the repeal of Glass-Steagall
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #280
283. Not in dispute.
My headline had a typo. Should have read "now regulated"

My contention is that wall street is no more "regulated" now than before the bail out. I was replying to a poster who still thinks there is a difference between Obama and Clinton - both third way democrats.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #283
288. Ah. Misunderstood what you were saying - sorry. n/t
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #288
289. Not your fault. I typoed. My error.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. And Clinton knew how to use the bully-pulpit. Think about all the hell the wackos put him thru and
he still came out on top.... if it wasn't for Lewinsky, the pigs may never have been able to put anything on him.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. So does President Obama, only he didn't cave to Republicans as DLC Bill did on so much policy.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #69
200. Now I know you're getting paid by the post. You can't possibly say that Obama didn't cave
to Republicans and believe it.

:eyes:

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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #200
265. Sure he can. Operates in a full faith fact free zone.
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Paka Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:30 AM
Response to Reply #60
207. It's easy to promote the 14th Amendment...
when you are not the one slated for impeachment. Ask Bubba how much fun that is! But then that question comes right after the one..."Why did you lie to the Grand Jury?" :wtf:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #207
271. Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating....the highest rating of any President leaving
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 01:52 PM by in_cog_ni_to
office....since Dwight Eisenhower. Had Obama had the balls to invoke the 14th Amendment and the Rethugs moved to Impeach him over it...they would have paid dearly. The people were PISSED over the Clinton Impeachment...it was such a waste of time and $$$$$ and everyone knew that. I think even Obama knows that. He's just gutless. He's afraid to fight the bullies. Clinton wasn't.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
15. He did not go on to say what programs would be cut. He told us what programs would LIKELY be cut.
Maybe you should have read the email by THE BEST POLITICIAN IN WASHINGTON DC before you posted your, now familiar, diatribe?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:28 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Same difference. More crystal ball reading and not one attack on who to blame: Republicans.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 06:30 PM by ClarkUSA
"THE BEST POLITICIAN IN WASHINGTON DC" is not St. Bernie, who "embraced" Mitch McConnell's proposal.

No, the best politician in Washington, DC is the one who made Boehner put the Bush tax cuts expiration into the baseline, and then got the latter to lie to his caucus about it in order to pass the debt deal.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:37 PM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #28
76. It's on Bernie's Senate website. Remember that press release? Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:34 PM by ClarkUSA
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:58 PM
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #35
75. It's the truth. Go check his Senate website. I am quoting his press release.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #19
45. the tax cuts ... oh, the ones that are still going. yeah. masterly.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #6
57. Shut the f**k about this, please,please,please
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 08:48 PM by Armstead
You know you are misconstruing that conservative Democrat meme. Try reading the actual content of that e-mail and think about it -- I mean THINK ABOUT IT.

Fucking people may go hungry and maybe even DIE as a result of what has been done. That is worth taking seriously.

If you disagree with it fine. But it is too important to play games about.

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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
79. I cannot believe your logic. LOL.
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BNJMN Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #6
165. "He should be asking people to work hard towards taking back the House from GOP control..." +1
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:17 PM
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7. Listen to Senator Sanders. Weep later. Fight now.

...Enough is enough! The American people must fight back. We need a government which represents all the people, not just the wealthy, campaign contributors and lobbyists. In these tough and discouraging times, despair is not an option. This fight is not just for us, it is for our children and grandchildren and for the environmental survival of the planet.

Bernie
Senator Bernie Sanders
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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:17 PM
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8. I hope he runs. He has my support and campaign contribution.
nt
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:24 PM
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13. I'll be supporting ONLY Democrats in 2012. Bernie is NOT a democrat. n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:26 PM
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17. I'm supporting the candidate who supports WE THE PEOPLE and NOT CORPORATIONS and the wealthy. n/t
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:30 PM
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22. Me too. and the president does NOT fit that description. At all.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:32 PM
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24. So you're not voting for President Obama?
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:32 PM
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37. Flypaper
Leave it alone
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:04 PM
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63. Inquiring minds want to know.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:27 PM by ClarkUSA
;)
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:09 PM
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253. I have no doubt "Inquiring minds" will alert
and point out how many ways a responding post breaks DU rules.
Your hook is baited.
I'm sorry that I cannot wish you good fishing.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:31 PM
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23. So you'll be voting for President Obama?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:37 PM
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30. He's not going to be the nominee. n/t
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:45 PM
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33. LOL. Of course President Obama WILL BE the democratic nominee. n/t
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:24 PM
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54. Quite likely. Americans generally are terminally stupid.
They also don't show evidence of logic skills.

Instead, it's all about cults of personality and red-blue summer camp color wars fueled by superpatriotism and other weak reasoning.

Then again, as I said before--your vote doesn't matter. Texas will go for Obama when the sun rises in the west. However, those of us in Colorado, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio (along with other swing states)--we're important. I'm still trying to find a road map to 270 electoral votes. I'm sure someone here will pull one out of his or her metaphorical ass. Probably with some list or other.
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Altoid_Cyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:07 AM
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218. PA doesn't look very promising if last year's results hold up.
It will be a different set of voters (maybe) since it's a presidential election.

To be honest, a lot of people in this area who voted for him in 2008 are WAY less than thrilled over his capitulaltions and "compromise" policies.

Oh....I'm sorry....I meant his masterful chess and poker playing which has the repubes on the run. :sarcasm:

This is not a freaking game, this is literally life and death for a lot of Americans. I might not know who I'm going to vote for until I get to the booth. At times, people like Bernie, Dennis K and Ralph (he whose name shall not be mentioned) look pretty good to me.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:05 PM
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170. I wouldn't bet on it
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #170
180. Tweety actually said tonight..... he would lose the 2012 election. n/t
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 11:28 PM by in_cog_ni_to
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:32 AM
Response to Reply #30
208. Who will? The MysteryCandidate who drops out of the sky if you wish hard enough?
Careful what you wish for.

Some people may want to ignore the world outside this forum, but a lot of Dems approve of the job the President's doing under some ugly adverse circumstances.

MysteryCandidate may be a good idea to you, but a LOT of Dems won't much like a repeat of Carter vs. Kennedy.

Be sure you're prepared for the backlash and the blowback if you don't have a massive, MASSIVE grassroots campaign to get MysteryCandidate all the way to the WH.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:35 PM
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81. I'm Voting for the Liberal Candidate.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:37 PM
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84. It Seems Stinky for a Liberal to Attack Bernie Sanders. Fishy Even.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #84
108. The magic word there
"Liberal"
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:01 AM
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248. Me, too. I don't remember signing a loyalty oath to Obama.
I am loyal to my principles, not anybody else's.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:10 PM
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47. + 1,000,000
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TNLib Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:33 PM
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25. It'll be a first for me. But our country can't keep going down this path
We need real progessive change.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:10 PM
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46. Max Baucus is a dem. I want a person who has the guts to do
the right thing. I would vote for Bernie in a new york minute.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:22 PM
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53. I will be supporting candidates that ACT like Democrats. Bernie is #1
"Bad Doggie No Biscuit" Barack will be out in the cold on this one.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:06 AM
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187. Bernie is in the Democratic Caucus.
He could easily run as a Democrat in the presidential primary if he really wanted to.
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:01 AM
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217. So you support a label. Not ideals & principles?
Senator Sanders is more of a Dem than the most these days, just because the party leadership has shifted to the right doesn't mean we the people must shift with them.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:55 PM
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272. Seriously!
Obama supporters remind me of those people who always had to wear brown shirts. ;)
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:18 PM
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9. K & R. n/t
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:24 PM
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12. Love that man. Rec.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:24 PM
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14. K to the R!
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:27 PM
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18. All I could think of when I read this was Morning Joe Shmoe saying the cuts won't mean anything!
This is exactly what Bernie referred to here:

"The corporate media which, by and large, has covered this debate as if it were a baseball game with political “winners and losers,” has neglected to tell the American people what the implications of this deficit reduction agreement are."

Thank you Bernie for telling it like it really is!
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:29 PM
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21. The drama. n/t
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:33 PM
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26. You are right.
It did make me weep.

Strongly, strongly kicked and recommended.

Thank you, Bernie.
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bluestate10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:36 PM
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27. Bernie. You gave the litany of ills, typical of your most ardent supporters.
Now. Where are the potential solutions given rather clear constitutional constraints?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #27
48. given that the president allowed this shit sandwich to pass it now
PREVENTS raising money to take care of this country. Howz that for brilliant? Bernie sanders actually sees and hears us unlike the Lord of Pennsylvania Avenue and he's got my respect.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:50 PM
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62. He and his ardent supporrters have been making suggestions all along
Some people (ahem) just haven't bothered to listen...Or else were thinking of their next snappy comebacks and put downs.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:03 AM
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213. +1
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:18 PM
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257. Realistic suggestions
Just a litany of complaints, with some claim for super-Executive power, does not do it in the real world.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:41 PM
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31. Bernie would make the best president we've had in decades.
nt
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:43 PM
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32. Hands Down! Once this country meets him...they will fall in love! They are craving a Bernie Sanders!
:loveya:
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 06:48 PM
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34. Bernie is NOT a democrat. Everyone needs to read the DU rules
It is against DU rules to promote third parties.
And it is against DU rules to work for the defeat of Democrats.

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:14 PM
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52. Bernie caucuses with The Democrats.
Why cut off your nose to spite your face? Would you prefer he caucus with Rethugs? He also calls himself a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST. So, technically, he is half Dem and half socialist.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:34 PM
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55. He runs as an Independent not a Democrat.
So, he is a Third-Party, not a true Democrat.

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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:36 PM
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157. But He Caucuses With Democrats
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:29 AM
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249. He is more of a Democrat
than many with a 'D' behind their names.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:40 AM
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252. Let's see, who's more like a Democrat, Bernie Sanders or Heath Shuler?
...Bernie is more Liberal then 2/3 of the alleged 'D's in Congress right now...
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:56 PM
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273. THANK YOU!
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! When will it ever sink in?
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:17 PM
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175. What about DINO'S
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 11:19 PM by RC
2. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

The whole argument is because Obama is no Progressive.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:42 AM
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202. Which is why the DU rules are stupid. So we are supposed to support the party over the party's
platform? That is ludicrous. Obama is enacting Republican policies and we are supposed to support him and not the guy who is actually fighting for Democratic values just because one has a D after his name when it should be an R?

Fuck that. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground. NOT Republicans Who Call Themselves Democratic Underground.



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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:20 AM
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204. except of course for Florida Governor, then it is cool to support the R over the D (know your
DU history)
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #204
284. That was a revolting thing to behold. A Republican, with hair
and tan issues no less.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:21 AM
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214. maybe you could get a job as a deputy moderator. nt
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:23 PM
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36. Bernie Sanders is a man of principles.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:34 PM
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38. 'Enough is enough' is right.
At least someone is telling the truth.

:kick:
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:46 PM
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39. Why does Bernie hate Obama?
:sarcasm:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 07:47 PM
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40. He never really loved him.
:cry:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:02 PM
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41. K&R for Senator Sanders.
Wish we had 99 more like him in the Senate,
and 535 in the House,
and ONE in the Oval Office.




Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.


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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:12 PM
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49. K and R (nt)
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:12 PM
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50. K & R... For The Best Democrat In This Era !!!
:bounce::toast::bounce:

:D

:kick:
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:13 PM
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51. Bernie contributes a lot
I just wish that so many of his assertions didn't begin with "it is likely."
Come on! What are the realistic solutions?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 08:43 PM
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58. C'mon Bernie! Don't be so negative all the time. It's win!
The tax cuts will stimulate the economy and that means more money for the banks in Switzerland to shelter.
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #58
143. good one
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 10:25 PM by Liberalynn
:rofl: and don't forget the Caymans.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #143
263. Thank Gramm! There'll always be the Caymans...
...and where the money's really safe:

Phil Gramm's UBS Problem

and my love note to happiness:

Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

I hope they're all happy together, real soon.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:09 PM
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66. This man is a national treasure.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:09 PM
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67. Why isn't St. Bernie attacking Republicans for wanting to do all these things? Hmm?
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:12 PM by ClarkUSA
Is he afraid of them?

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:15 PM
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72. Is your memory failing you? You posted the garbage up thread and it's already been answered. n/t
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:17 PM
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73. Why don't you answer my question? Why isn't St. Bernie attacking Republicans for this?
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:19 PM by ClarkUSA
Is he afraid of them?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #73
92. Happy reading sweetheart!
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 10:01 PM by in_cog_ni_to
And just so you know, this is the last Google I do for one of your stupid..."Got a Link?""Got Proof?"posts. You go from thread, to thread, to thread demanding links for proof of things you know to be true. Don't expect me to ever do your Googling for you again. Enjoy your read!


Sen. Bernie Sanders issued the following statement today after he voted against a Senate deficit- reduction proposal:

"The Republicans have been absolutely determined to make certain that the rich and large corporations not contribute one penny for deficit reduction, and that all of the sacrifice comes from the middle class and working families in terms of cuts in Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, LIHEAP, community health centers, education, Head Start, nutrition, MILC, affordable housing and many other vitally important programs.

"I cannot support legislation like the Reid proposal which balances the budget on the backs of struggling Americans while not requiring one penny of sacrifice from the wealthiest people in our country. That is not only grotesquely immoral, it is bad economic policy."

http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2011/07/bernie-sanders-votes-no-on-debt-deal.html

http://fightingdemocrat.blogspot.com/2011/07/ed-show-bernie-sanders-van-jones-on.html


Bernie Sanders to Obama: 'Do Not Yield to Outrageous Republican Demands' on Taxes, Cuts, Deficit Policy
by John Nichols

Bernie Sanders went to the floor of the Senate last December to deliver the most important congressional address of 2010, a nine-hour long, filibuster-style condemnation of economic policies that favored the rich while burdening working Americans. The independent senator from Vermont electrified the nation with a call for economic justice that challenged Obama administration compromises with Republicans on issues of tax policy and declared: "There is a war going on in this country, and I am not referring to the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan. I am talking about a war being waged by some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in this country against the working families of the United States of America, against the disappearing and shrinking middle class of our country."

Now, as Republicans pressure the president to embrace an approach to deficit reduction that will further widen the gap between rich and working Americans —with tax breaks for the wealthy and the slashing of benefits for the what remains of the middle class —Sanders is preparing to return to the Senate floor Monday for another epic challenge to the failed economic policies of Wall Street and its political amen corner.

The senator has scheduled a major Senate address for 4 p.m. EST Monday, when he plans to expound for at least an hour and a half on the urgency of rejecting "the Republican approach that demands savage cuts in desperately-needed programs for working families, the elderly, the sick, our children and the poor, while not asking the wealthiest among us to contribute one penny." As a member of the Senate Budget Committee, Sanders has argued that at least half of any deficit-reduction package must rely on new revenue by eliminating tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans and the most profitable corporations. This "shared sacrifice" agenda must be the bottom line for President Obama and Senate Democrats as they wrangle with congressional Republicans over when and how to extend the debt ceiling.

"This is a pivotal moment in the history of our country. Decisions are being made about the national budget that will impact the lives of virtually every American for decades to come," argues Sanders says in a new letter to Obama that urges the president to hold firm for economic fairness.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/27-8


"Dear Mr. President,

"This is a pivotal moment in the history of our country. Decisions are being made about the national budget that will impact the lives of virtually every American for decades to come. As we address the issue of deficit reduction we must not ignore the painful economic reality of today - which is that the wealthiest people in our country and the largest corporations are doing phenomenally well while the middle class is collapsing and poverty is increasing. In fact, the United States today has, by far, the most unequal distribution of wealth and income of any major country on earth.

"Everyone understands that over the long-term we have got to reduce the deficit - a deficit that was caused mainly by Wall Street greed, tax breaks for the rich, two wars, and a prescription drug program written by the drug and insurance companies. It is absolutely imperative, however, that as we go forward with deficit reduction we completely reject the Republican approach that demands savage cuts in desperately-needed programs for working families, the elderly, the sick, our children and the poor, while not asking the wealthiest among us to contribute one penny.

"Mr. President, please listen to the overwhelming majority of the American people who believe that deficit reduction must be about shared sacrifice. The wealthiest Americans and the most profitable corporations in this country must pay their fair share. At least 50 percent of any deficit reduction package must come from revenue raised by ending tax breaks for the wealthy and eliminating tax loopholes that benefit large, profitable corporations and Wall Street financial institutions. A sensible deficit reduction package must also include significant cuts to unnecessary and wasteful Pentagon spending.

"Please do not yield to outrageous Republican demands that would greatly increase suffering for the weakest and most vulnerable members of our society. Now is the time to stand with the tens of millions of Americans who are struggling to survive economically, not with the millionaires and billionaires who have never had it so good."

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/06/27-8
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #92
181. Not Good Enough. I demand more proof of the blatantly obvious
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #181
184. Seriously! :) It's her Modus Operandi when she can't refute something....
"Got a link?" "Got proof of that? No more from me! Google will be her best BFF.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #184
185. She?
Always thought was a he.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #185
236. ....
Unless I have confused ClarkUSA with someone else (which is very possible :) ), she's a she.....we use to be friends (years ago..Wes Clark buds) before Obama became the Messiah.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #236
242. Well at least s/he drives up the post count for worthwhile threads
And keeps them up the chart
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #181
221. lol.. for someone to question Bernies willingness....
to engage Repubs... it's kinda bizarre. But it does seem to fit a deflect and distract tactic...
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:14 PM
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70. Bernie Sanders: automatic unreccomend n/t
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:40 AM
Response to Reply #70
224. Bernie Sanders: automatic recommend n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #70
264. Why? You hate the left that much?
Pathetic.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #264
274. Seriously
pathetic. How could anyone NOT love Bernie Sanders. The ONLY politician defending WE THE PEOPLE! sheesh.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #274
277. I mean, even if you don't love the guy...why bash him for no good raisin?
The auto-unrec crowd seems to be in only certain posts about professional leftys. Their hatred is as bad as the GOPers imo. Sick.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #70
287. 21 hours later this thread sits at 435 rec's
nt
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:15 PM
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71. Weep?
His honesty gives me hope.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. I know...one of the few who speaks the TRUTH. n/t
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:21 PM by in_cog_ni_to
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. The "truth" = He admits no one knows what will be cut or in what amounts, despite his speculation.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:35 PM by ClarkUSA
Why doesn't St. Bernie ever attack Republicans for wanting to do these horrible things. Where's THAT truth?
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #77
80. Maybe Bernie knew that the rethugs were out to fuck us..
Maybe he didn't think that Obama would and is disappointed.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. So he's keeping quiet about it? Boy, that's courage for ya!
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:38 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. Is it your opinion that criticizing Republicans will help Democrats strategically?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. Pointing out policy differences does, as President Obama has done for weeks via his bully pulpit.
That's why he's come out way ahead of Congress in general and Republicans in particular in every signle opinion poll taken on this issue.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #88
91. He's Amazing!
He really stands up to Republicans. He's been such a powerful voice for Progressive policy and the protection of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. Some say his associates don't think very highly of the "professional left". I've never really been to sure what that means. His cabinet scared me a little... so many Wall Street criminals and scum but I think he just wants to have competent advisors.

There's no doubt but that THIS President is a real Liberal and a strong and proud Progressive!

It has been very hard to make the case for Progressive policy on the heels of such a successful Bush Administration. The public really wants more Republican policy but Barack Obama is immovable! He's like FDR for the 21st Century!

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. Yes he is. See Reply #93 ------>
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #94
98. I Know, He's Really Been Everything He Campaigned on and More! He's Dreamy!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #98
116. Wish I could say the same of St. Bernie, who never seems to attack Republicans.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #116
130. I Know, Berine needs to realize the way to help democrats is to ignore their faults...
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 10:18 PM by seeker4ever
STUPID BERNIE!

If an opposing team wins against our team my coach gets us all together and we sit for hours and call them names and pick on them. That way we will win!
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #116
177. He is, and that makes you upset. Look up DINO.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #88
97. Bully Pulpit?
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:50 PM by in_cog_ni_to
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

He who gives Rethugs EVERYTHING they want? :rofl:
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #97
136. Really? I had no idea Republicans wanted to preserve Pell Grants and protect SS/Medicare benefits.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 10:22 PM by ClarkUSA
I also had no idea they wanted to put the Bush Tax Cuts expiration into the baseline. I guess that's why Boehner lied to his caucus about this little fact when he showed them his Powerpoint presentation prior to the debt deal vote.

:sarcasm:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #136
163. You don't put SS and Medicare on the table when you're trying to protect them. SKEWED LOGIC. n/t
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #83
95. Didn't everybody know that..?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #77
128. The "truth" = He admits no one knows what will be cut or in what amounts, despite his speculation.
That would be funny if it weren't so off base.

Who would have "KNOWN" that the Republicans would demand more tax cuts after President Obama decided NOT to fight to put taxes back to the pre-Bush levels?

Who would have "KNOWN" that the decision to send 70,000 more troops to Afghanistan would NOT end that war or even shorten it?

Who would have "KNOWN" that the decision to "compromise" with Republicans about the amount of the Stimulus Package would end up stunting our recovery and send us back into double-dip?


So much to wonder about, eh ClarkUSA.

So much that only the Shadow or The Crystal Ball knows that you demand must be "KNOWN".

Who pays you to put out this propaganda?

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:36 PM
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82. Well...there we have it... Thanks to Senator Sanders for pointing out the "Devil in the Details."
K&R
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. lol! He's totally speculating after admitting he doesn't know what'll be cut.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:38 PM by ClarkUSA
That's really enlightening!
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:39 PM
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87. "It is also bad economic policy..."
....Bernie is right, I beginning to believe both political Parties are trying to keep us in perpetual poverty and depression....

....and as for the Prez and his veto, he may fly like a Democrat, but he lands like a Republican,

"...the budget deal just approved does the exact opposite of what the American people want."
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #87
89. Talk is cheap when you don't have to do any of the heavy lifting.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:44 PM by ClarkUSA
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #89
104. "Talk is cheap when you don't have to do any of the heavy lifting."
....talk is also cheap when you won't do the heavy lifting....
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:42 PM
Response to Original message
90. Don't Worry, Obama Will Protect Progressive Policy! He Really Likes Progressives!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #90
93. Pres. Obama protected SS and Medicare benefits from any cuts and staved off all cuts until 2013...
when a possible Pelosi-led House could change policy. He also preserved Pell Grants and built in the sunseting of the Bush tax cuts into the baseline, something Boehner lied to his caucus about in order to get them to vote for the debt deal.

Try to get the facts before you denigrate this President.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #93
96. Oh My God! He is Sooo Kick Ass! I LOve HIm!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:51 PM
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99. Deleted message
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #96
251. lol
:rofl:
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #93
100. Denigrate? You Mean Calling Him a Progressive?
Please sir, I love Barack Obama! He's the best!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #100
102. Your level of sincerity is superceded only by the intelligence of your discourse.
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 09:54 PM by ClarkUSA
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #102
105. Why Thank You! I Love Your Posts Too!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #105
117. That's not what I said.
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #102
109. Obama allowed the Republicans to tie spending cuts to the debt ceiling.
Only in your mind is this some kind of victory.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #109
113. Any future Congress could change policy, especially if Dems win back the House.
It was a way for Boehner to save face. Besides, most of the cuts are to come from Defense while some will come from Medicare providers.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #113
118. Well Worth the Gamble!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #118
121. Well worth the hard work in supporting this effort, not that you would understand that.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #121
122. YEah I Know, Debt Ceilings Are Almost NEVER RAISED without serious compromise!
I'm sorry.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #122
127. What other instances are you referring to, exactly?
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #127
149. Yeah, EGGS-ACT-LEE!
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #113
124. That's only if the Super-Committee can't agree on other things to cut..
..and I find it very unnerving we'll have to rely on a future Congress to save us. There's also a point to emphasize in your response: they "could" change policy, or a new Congress could do nothing. Obama has allowed an incredibly dangerous precedent to be established, namely a catastrophic default on our debt is fair game as a political football.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #124
129. Yes, But Do You HEART Obama?
I HEART Obama!

Presidenting is very hard. Republicans are like gods. Us poor Democrats have to be careful not to make republicans too mad. I think Obama is well aware of that.

It is well known that when you stand up to Republicans it means you like them and when you go golfing with them and give them 98% of what they want that you are really being a good Democrat and protecting democratic policy and helping the poor, the sick and the elderly.

Everyone knows this.
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #129
133. All your sarcasm aside..
No, I'm not particularly enamored with the man. For whatever reason, whether he was a fiscal conservative all along or simply someone eager to get a political victory at all costs, he's done things that are counter to the platform of the party of which he is the titular head.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #133
145. He's so cool looking!
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #145
168. did you see him without his shirt?ooooooooooooooooooooo
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #129
167. i heard he smells just like fresh baked bread
sigh
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #124
132. There's zero incentive for Democrats to make a deal with Republicans, given the trigger set-up.
Also, the Bush tax cuts' expiration is built into the baseline so the publicized 1:2 revenue:cuts becomes 4:1. No, the Republicans will have to cough up revenue if they don't want the triggers to go off.
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #132
141. That's all well and good, but..
..the cuts being made, trigger nonwithstanding, are basically being done at the worst possible time for the economy. It also doesn't address the fundamental issue I brought up earlier: why has the president allowed his political enemies to turn what has hitherto been routine for the government (raising the tax ceiling) to be used as a weapon against his own party?
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #141
144. What would you have done in his place, exactly?
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 10:25 PM by ClarkUSA
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #144
146. Yeah, What Exactly? EGGGS-ACT-LEEE!
Pretend you're the President... (easy enough), now just go!
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JackDragna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #144
148. I would've put out ads every day..
...telling the American people the Republicans are the ones insisting on holding the country hostage over spending cuts. I then would've told the Republicans I was not going to accept anything but a clean bill and was ready to invoke the 14th amendment while doing so. A drastic measure, but the immense leverage the Republicans have gained would've been worth the risk the president would have taken. I furthermore, had I made a deal, would not have used language indicating this was something the "American people" wanted, or that both sides were equally at fault for failing to come to an agreement. There's a damned good reason half his House members didn't vote his way.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #148
151. Yeah well...
He still looks REALLY cool!
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #151
152. Joe Biden... As effective as Dick Cheney or not? Discuss...
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #152
153. Barack Obama, as effective as George Bush or not? Discuss...
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #144
169. yeah if you were president what would YOU do?
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SharksBreath Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:52 AM
Response to Reply #169
225. Hold the rich hostage. Bush tax cuts for the rich and loopholes
or the economy gets it.

If they don't budge use the 14th.

Game Set Match.

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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #144
188. Giving In To Hostage-Takers Is A Mistake
http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2011/07/stop_calling_th.htm


Last year these conservatives took the unemployed hostage, refusing to keep unemployment benefits going unless we extended the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. The hostage-taking succeeded.

So, having succeeded at taking hostages, the conservatives then took another, even bigger hostage. They demanded big spending cuts, outside of the normal budget process and decision-making mechanisms of our democracy, or they would "shut down the government." The hostage-taking succeeded.

So, having succeeded at taking hostages, the conservatives have taken another, even bigger hostage. This one is the big kahuna of hostages. If they refuse to raise the debt limit the country could go into default, destroying our economy and the economy of much of the world.



The official policy of the US government on hostage-taking is as follows:

“Based upon past experience, the U.S. Government concluded that making concessions that benefit hostage takers in exchange for the release of hostages increased the danger that others will be taken hostage. U.S. Government policy is, therefore, to deny hostage takers the benefits of ransom, prisoner releases, policy changes, or other acts of concession.


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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #132
155. Chesssssss!
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Prana69 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #155
198. LOL. You're too funny. More please. n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #93
101. Obama put SS and Medicare ON THE TABLE. NOTHING you say can EVER change that fact.
It is what it is...TRUE!
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #101
103. He Had to!! How Would it Look for a Democratic President to Protect Social Programs?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #103
106. I KNOW! He would have looked weak! n/t
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #106
114. Exactly! Democrats Protecting FDR Programs? Programs That Have Nothing to Do With the Budget? I mean
that's crazy!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #114
156. Totally INSANE idea! n/t
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #156
159. Damn STraight! We Gotta Get That Eleventy-Level Chess Goin' On!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #159
160. Haven't we moved on to Backgammon yet? I mean...seriously. Chess is SO July! n/t
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #103
111. President Obama is up against a very, very formidable Opponent!
Let's Face it, Republicans are Very, Very Powerful! He has done as much as can be expected... and MORE! We have to take into consideration that the nation really wasn't in for any serious changes in direction when he was elected. He has had to make these powerful policy decisions in the face of an overwhelmingly right wing American populace! People are clamoring to end social spending and have the middle class and the poor pitch in too!


We have to be fair here!
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #111
281. That assumes the GOP is really his opponent...
... I'm not so sure.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #101
107. Um, that was a strategic ploy. Note that there are zero cuts in the actual deal?
Who do you think accomplished that? Hmm? St Bernie? :sarcasm:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #107
110. Stay tuned , honey. You'll get your wish soon enough. SS and Medicare will soon be cut
and then you can celebrate. Just hold on a little longer....November should be your lucky month....since EVERYTHING is on the table.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #110
115. It's not my wish, but it sure seems like you want it bad. Quite a case of projection you got going.
So why isn't St. Bernie attacking Republicans? Is he afraid of them?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #115
154. You're the one supporting the man who wants to end the New Deal, so
that's on YOUR head, not mine or St. Bernie's. We're true Liberals.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #110
139. This literally makes you as bad as the teabaggers.
Republicans have turned into terrorists--and thanks to the millions like you who decided to teach that bastard Obama a lesson, they got control of one of the branches of Congress! So guess what? THEY GET A FUCKING SEAT AT THE TABLE WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #107
112. I Think We Can All Be Sure That Social Programs Are 100% Safe!
President Obama will protect them!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #112
120. Many programs for the poor are protected from cuts as well.
That's called a fact, in case you weren't familiar with the term.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #120
123. What Better Way? He's SOOOOOO Dreamy!
Edited on Thu Aug-04-11 10:08 PM by seeker4ever
His ways are not our ways.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #123
126. Yes he is. Why don't you write a YouTube song about him? I think you've got a head start on lyrics.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #126
140. Yes, I think I do that. I'll go write a song about him! Thank you!
Umm, no, I think I want to stay here. I'll send him flowers!
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #126
182. omg! lol!
I just noticed now your mention of head start...

Head Start!

After all the searching I did...you make mention of Head Start on lyrics...

oh the irony!

Thanks for the chuckle...if but for only a moment.

Sad but true....

Yes, I've been dealing with Head Start families for more years than I care to admit.
You know nothing of Head Start.
Obama's children didn't have to go there...
Every early child education textbook makes mention of Head Start...
And he's flushing it down the toilet....just like bush tried to do...



peace~
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #120
131. Please show me this one:
Show me where Head Start will be protected.

Can you do that, please?

Thanks in advance.



peace~
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #131
142. Go to whitehouse.gov and read the WH Fact Sheet.
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #142
147. Yeah, That Just Like Asking Pres. Obama! See?
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kurtzapril4 Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #147
197. I'm sincerely enjoying the taunting of
Ms. "Chill the fuck out, I got this." Please keep going, LOL!
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #142
150. This?
http://www.gov.com/search/index.html?cx=007706371416153152110%3As7sxwp44nfm&q=+head+start&sa=Search&cof=FORID%3A11#915

If you can let me know of a better link...please fill me in.
I already know about Head Start...what's he gonna do?
Thanks.



peace~
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #142
158. Post a link a maybe they will visit your recommended site. You required a thousand links a day
now it's your turn. LINK
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #142
173. you demand others bring you proof
and when called on what you post its look it up yourself?
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #142
174. I found this:
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201108041504dowjonesdjonline000588&title=fresh-from-debt-ceiling-battlecongress-girds-for-spending-fight


"We're already down pretty much as far as we can go," said Sen. Tom Harkin (D., Iowa), a senior member of the Senate Appropriations Committee. "We're going to be cutting things like Head Start programs--we're going to cut more kids out of there, we'll probably be cutting things like seniors' programs, we'll be cutting probably some education programs--you know, all the things that help poor people will probably get cut--ask me again why I voted against that ."

Thanks anyway...


peace~

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Prana69 Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #174
199. no no no. You've gone to the wrong link...
.. you need to go to one of the thousands of links that say Obama is guaranteeing the future of these programs by cutting them. All that negative stuff is just a lie perpetrated by Bernie Sanders who is jealous of Obama's good looks, hot bod and generally super-cool machismo.

Obama wouldn't screw the poor. He's too HOT.

P69
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #142
262. whitehouse.gov IS a campaign propaganda site, no matter WHO is president.
Those guys are PAID to put the best possible spin on anything connected to the White House.
They WILL distort, mislead, interweave, slant, twist, spin, ignore, fabricate, shake, rattle, and roll anything to make the White House look good. THAT is WHAT they get paid to do, and they are good at it.
They would make Madison Ave blush.
This is not unique to President Obama.

whitehouse.gov is as credible as ANY other campaign site, Democrat or Republican.
Which means, Better Check your Facts.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #112
171. he is living republican kryptonite....literally
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #101
135. Oh no! He said "We're open to new ideas"! That BASTARD!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #135
161. New ideas for the New Deal? I think not. n/t
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #93
203. Obama put SS and Medicare on the table. Pay attention please and stop spamming.
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eyeofnewt Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:03 PM
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119. decisions
Here's what jumps out at me in reading Sander's email: "Although nobody can predict exactly what programs will be cut and by how much because those decisions will be made over the coming months and years by the appropriation committees" - isn't this similar wording to the health care bill which the Rethugs made such a big deal of? I seem to remember reading about how the health care law wording was not specific enough and left future decisions to Sebelius? That point made the rounds for months. How is this different?
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:20 PM
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134. KandR
Thank you...

If only....


peace~
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:21 PM
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137. why is bernie the only person in congress expressing this? are they all compromised?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #137
162. YES. We might take a look at Murdoch and Fox News.
:(
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #137
285. A few Democratic Senators voted No as well including my
own State of Oregon's Jeff Merkley. Here is some of the email he sent about why he voted no.

"After over two years of a devastating recession, and a decade of stagnant wages before that, our number one goal should be creating jobs and making sure our kids have opportunities in the future.

Instead, this deal will cut off jobs and pile burdens on middle class families who are already paying the price for a decade of bad policy choices.

Imagine: Americans who may have lost a job, whose mortgage is under water, who can’t afford their kids’ college anymore and have seen prices skyrocket for food and gas are asked to tighten their belts.

At the same time, the very wealthiest Americans and big, well-connected special interests are 100% insulated from any sacrifice. Their lavish tax breaks and sweetheart deals sprinkled throughout the tax code have been conveniently put off limits for any cuts.

The conventional wisdom says we have to swallow this deal. But if we give in to these ransom demands and allow the extremists to continue their assault on the building blocks of middle class prosperity in order to protect the wealthy and well-connected, we’ll be facing more ransom demands soon enough."

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:21 PM
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138. K&R!!!!!
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 10:49 PM
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164. Give em hell, Bernie!
K&R
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:06 PM
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172. K&R!
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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:19 PM
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176. K & R
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-11 11:35 PM
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183. now THAT'S a Democrat
Why isn't he in our party? :sarcasm:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:04 AM
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186. K&R
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:27 AM
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189. Context is everything. Rephrase it differently. Rather than "bad boys" call them "not up to par "
or "mismanaged" or "treasonous" or
"ignorant of the laws of money" 
"criminals"  

these people have no right to be in office and be paid
salaries.  they are essentially stupid 
or are in conflict of interest as shareholders of The Federal
Reserve Bank that prints money and
 charges us interest while they are paid in shares.

If this is true, they are committing "fraud". 

Forget the"bad boyz" theme.  Bad boyz are in. 

Look for the roots of evil at the Heritage House, where the
Dems learn the power of money
and then lose their focus on the public interest to gain
wealth.

A coup d'etat is in order.  
Bring our kids home from the military... all kids from all
countries.. go home.
Do not fight the dirty war.  Fight the good one. No fighting
required. Just show up in command.
And protect us, like the Egyptian Army did for their peeps.

That would scare the shit our of Repukes and take them down
where they can be prosecuted without threat. 
What else can we do but ask our own police forces to side with
the people, and the military, businesses, unions, etc.
Families, clergy, all of us hit the streets in Freedom Plaza
DC on Oct 6.. be Tahir Square... planned.  Rotating
500,000 in and out every week... build a burning man city...
with food to go... 

no work until the issues are resolved.

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:43 AM
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196. K&R a great honest OP!
Thank you, In-Cog_Ni_To.

If you hadn't posted it we might not have gotten to read it.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:42 AM
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201. The Twelve Super Committee members are "BP. Kochs, Big Pharma, etc...."
See... Corporations really are people!!!!!!!!!!
:argh: :argh: :argh: :argh: :argh:
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:40 AM
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205. That super congress is so unconstitutional.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 03:42 AM
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206. How about cutting the pension
of those useless retired Generals? Retired politicians?
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:35 AM
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209. thank god for Bernie. - tragically, literally the last one of his kind, as far as the senate goes.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:37 AM
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210. recommend
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Liberal Fiscal Hawk Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:40 AM
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211. Pity there aren't more like him
All Democrats should fight as passionately for middle class and working class Americans as Bernie Sanders does. That's what the Democratic Party is supposed to be about.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:58 AM
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212. why did Nader do this to us!
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disillusioned73 Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:47 AM
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216. K&R for Bernie, one of the few Senator that still upholds..
Democratic principles.

If only he wasn't in such a small minority.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:20 AM
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222. Run for President, Bernie.
It can't get any worse, if you did.
Think about it, you could debate Obama in the first few primary states and ask him "what is a Democrat?" and then look over and say, "I worked with Democrats, you're no Democrat."

It would be worth it just to say it to his face on national tv!!!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:01 AM
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244. +1
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:24 AM
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223. Bernie is one of the only voices in DC that I trust
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:57 AM
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226. Can we kill capitalism yet?
Since 2008 we have amounted a mountain of evidence that capitalism and its evil twin corporatism don't work! It's seriously time to find a better alternative that works for all of us! Something democratic, most definitely, just not based on greed. A system based on merit, honor, duty to nation, and pride. A system that is fair and guarantees equality, a billionaires worst nightmare. Greed, deception, and mediocrity need to be left in the dust.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:13 AM
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227. Bernie Sanders speaks for me. K&R
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:15 AM
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228. 330 recs... come on Thrid Way... you need to hire more unrec'cers
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 08:16 AM by fascisthunter
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:28 AM
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229. Jesus F'ing Christ, Bernie...
The American people are trying to elect people who will fight the encroachment and act on our behalf. Yet no matter who we send to Washington, it seems, we get some candidate who either gets co-opted by Washington "ways and means" or was bullshit from the start. But never mind that, Bernie. Never mind that fact at all. I understand that you are one of the few and the proud, but tasking the American people with "fighting back" when that's all we do is just a bit fucked up. Tell us, Obi-Wan, what battles shall we fight and lose next? Whom shall we back in this next election who will sell us out? Which candidate will cave in to Washingtonian bullshit next?

It is those in YOUR circle, the "leadership class", the political professionals, who are selling us out to these interests. Maybe not you personally, but in the large scope, the people we send to Washington are in it for themselves and their largest campaign donors rather than those who are responsible for their election. If you can't convince THEM to change their ways, and you can't offer better alternatives, I truly don't understand where the battle is to fight. We're all a little war-weary down here on Main Street. We'd like to have jobs and families and a little bit more of an improved security after 10 1/2 years of an intensely politicized existence, an existence which could have been better spent enjoying and enriching our own lives.

Yes Bernie, some of us down here positively loathe being this politically involved. It doesn't make us happy. Some of us want you all to do your jobs without having to be watched constantly. I'm one of those people. However, we've risen to the challenge placed before us. We've become aware, gotten involved in the issues, chosen sides where required... we've argued and educated where possible, some have even put aside our own lives in order to make efforts to better our country and point its direction more true. What do we get from Washington for our efforts? More appeals to fight. More appeals to sacrifice. We all know what's at stake here, but you act as though we were IN the negotiations ourselves, that there was something we could have done more to prevent this. If there was I don't know what it could have been.

And Bernie, after reading your little missive here, I think you're all out of ideas, too. Enough was enough 8 years ago.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:44 AM
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238. What is your point? Bernie is as close to a grass-roots politician as we've got
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 09:47 AM by Armstead
Read about his history and look at how he relates to ordinary people in Vermont sometime. And he's been fighting the good fight for a long time. Watch his grillings of Alan Greenspan back in the 90's sometime, when nobody -- Democrat or Republican -- was even questioning Greenspan's imposition of the Milton Friedman Right Wing Gospel on us.

He is not some remote poo-bah.
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:43 PM
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270. My point is simple...
We are willing to fight, but even Sanders isn't showing leadership. The entire timbre of the post implies that WE'RE the people to make this happen. OK, I'll accept that. So WHAT, precisely is it we're supposed to be DOING? We've DONE. We've DONATED. We've BACKED. We've WRITTEN. We've VOTED. We've SPOKEN. We've done all that is in our power to influence the process. So WHAT is Bernie ASKING FOR? When do the people in positions like his DO THEIR PART?!? It is the job of people in his position to take this fight to the halls of Congress. I don't know what he wants us to do about this. Christ, it seems like he's blaming the victims here, like we dropped the ball, wouldn't back the cause. Excuse me? What?

I don't give him a pass for this, even though I understand the sentiment. I give Bernie credit, his heart and his mind are in the right place, but when I see results from Washington that are entirely too embarrassing for words, then I just don't get what he's after. Is this just him venting?
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:38 AM
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230. I would love to Senator Sanders, but how to do you fight an Oligarchy
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:55 AM
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233. Hammer it home, Bernie! nt
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:13 AM
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234. I'd love to see Sanders run for POTUS, but here's the reality:
Even before the current Citizens United political atmosphere, all the RWers would have to do to neuter Sanders' candidacy is bombard the media with the "Socialist" label and all of the mouth breathing, inbred knuckle draggers of this country (which make up at least 50% of this country's population from what I can tell) will go into a paranoid shit fit and Sanders' chances of winning are zero.

Now, with Citizens United ruling the cost of political races, you can ratchet that scenario up at least a thousand-fold.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:41 AM
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237. Unless he changes his mind -- he's NOT thinking of running and it's a moot point
Any talk that he is is either wishful thinking on the part of some of his supporters, or an effort to distract from his actual message from pseudo-liberals who are trying to knock him down just because.



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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #234
240. "92% Of Americans Are Socialists They Just Don’t Know It"
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 09:46 AM by in_cog_ni_to
If anyone could explain Socialism to the masses, it's Bernie. To know him is to love him and I think this country is STARVING for someone like him. :)




Wealth inequality is as extreme today as it was during the Great Depression years. In real terms, the wealthy hold the majority of this nation’s wealth and income. The problem in this country is mass disillusionment. In a recent study by Duke and Harvard University they found many Americans believe that the top 20% of our nation’s wealthiest own 60% of the wealth. The real figure is the top 20% own 84% of our nation’s wealth and it is increasing every year.

When the respondents were asked to pick an unlabeled pie chart “How much should the top 20% own?” 92% of them preferred the Swedish model of income distribution over the current American economic model. The Swedish economic model, which is the top 20% own 36% of the nation’s wealth.<snip>

Here's the actual study:

http://www.people.hbs.edu/mnorton/norton%20ariely%20in%20press.pdf

Americans Prefer Sweden

For the first task, we created three unlabeled pie charts of wealth distributions, one of which depicted a perfectly equal distribution of wealth.

Unbeknownst to respondents, a second distribution reflected the wealth distribution in the United States; in order to create a distribution with a level of inequality that clearly fell in between these two charts, we constructed a third pie chart from the income distribution of Sweden

We presented respondents with the three pair-wise combinations of these pie
charts (in random order) and asked them to choose which nation they would rather join
given a “Rawls constraint” for determining a just society (Rawls, 1971):

“In considering this question, imagine that if you joined this nation, you would be randomly assigned to a place in the distribution, so you could end up anywhere in this distribution, from the very richest to the very poorest.”

As can be seen in Figure 1, the (unlabeled) United States distribution was far less
desirable than both the (unlabeled) Sweden distribution and the equal distribution, with
some 92% of Americans preferring the Sweden distribution to the United States.

In addition, this overwhelming preference for the Sweden distribution over the United States distribution was robust across gender (Females: 92.7%; Males: 90.6%), preferred
candidate in the 2004 election (Bush Voters: 90.2%; Kerry Voters: 93.5%) and income
(less than $50,000: 92.1%; $50,001-100,000: 91.7%; more than $100,000: 89.1%).

In addition, there was a slight preference for the distribution that resembled Sweden relative to the equal distribution, suggesting that Americans prefer some inequality to perfect equality, but not to the degree currently present in the United States. <snip>

edited to add link:

http://www.politicususa.com/en/american-socialists
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #234
282. Sadly, I think you're probably right n/t
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:45 AM
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239. Goddamn right
All I"m hearing is crickets coming from the White House.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:48 AM
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241. K&R n/t
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:54 AM
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243. K & R for the good Senator
Thanks, yet again, Sen. Sanders.

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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:11 AM
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245. K&R
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:11 AM
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246. Thanks a lot, President Manchurian Candidate. n/t
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:56 AM
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247. So what do we do? Two things I can think of:
1) Ban electronic voting and arrest and imprison all voter obstructers.
2) Put propagandists such as Rupert Murdoch out of business.

However, how do we make this happen?

We need a revolution, but how do we do that, when not enough of us are able, or willing, or even awake enough to stand up?

I think our battle begins with each of us being the change we want to see. When the minds of the people are pure, the land will be pure also.

Okay, I realize that doesn't seem to make sense to a lot of people who will read this. But in time, it will become clear that it's the only way to truly save this country and this planet.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 11:36 AM
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250. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, in_cog_ni_to.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:12 PM
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254. Yes - it's time to FIGHT BACK against the corruption in both parties.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:15 PM
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255. Saying all that doesn't help with the Republicans
It amounts to complaining. I can agree with it even. And Bernie seems to blame both sides.

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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:28 PM
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259. He does well with the working class in Vermont because they knlow he's on their side
And blue-collar workers and small business-types in Vermont aren't different than they are in most parts of the country.

Even those who disagree with his "ideology" respect him because they know he is a straight shooter and is fighting for them.

MORE IMPORTANT -- Do we only advocate for the right thing if Republicans go along with it? That's a fairly myopic view of politics.

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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 12:33 PM
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260. K&R for Bernie. n/t
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:16 PM
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267. 405 recs and about four full time ever-faithfuls clogging the thread.
DU is getting smarter and smarter.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 01:29 PM
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269. As of 1:25 PM CDT,
this thread had 421 Total recs (From Top Tens Page),
and a cumulative total of 408 recs (From The Greatest page),
which means that only 13 DUers have unrecced it.
They sure have made their disproportionate presence known.

This thread still has over 5 hours to go.


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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 02:21 PM
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275. But who listens to the American people? Certainly not their "government"!
"the American people have said that they believe the best way to reduce the deficit is to end tax breaks for the wealthy, big oil, and Wall Street and take a hard look at military spending."

Sanders tells it like it is. This needs to be shouted from the rooftops!
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dogmoma56 Donating Member (329 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 05:58 PM
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286. the richest 1% hold 42% of Americas Financial Wealth, 6 times what the Bottom 80% hold at 7%.. >Link
the richest 5% hold 72%.. the group that gets the lions share of the Bu$h43 tax cuts, well over 40 billion a yr, the richest 20% holds 93% of americas financial wealth, the bottom 80% holds only 7%

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

the GOP leadership and the Tea Party has been taken over by a Theo-Fascist Plutocratic religious cult,

see http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312584879&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/Street-Fundamentalist-American-Democracy-Readers/dp/0316091065/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312584879&sr=1-1

they believe that wealth and power are the only proof of gods favor of a man, so it is a sin to tax a rich man. and the poor are being punished by god so it is a sin to help them.. explains it all.. doesn't it.
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