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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 06:50 AM
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The President Doesn't Create Jobs
Edited on Fri Aug-05-11 06:55 AM by titaniumsalute
Jay Carney came out yesterday and essentially said that the President doesn't create jobs and that it is a collective effort of the Executive and Congress to help create jobs.

Obama could come up with 2,000 ideas for Congress and the Repukes in the House won't bring up one in committee. They control the legislative agenda and what is discussed. In addition they control the purse. So there will be NO JOB CREATION ideas from this Congress.

Maybe the President needs to send 2,000 ideas to Congress and make it terribly visible with press conferences, town halls, etc. Then he says "The House won't even look at ideas."

But at the end of the day he can't create jobs.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:03 AM
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1. FDR is spinning a little faster in his grave nt
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:44 AM
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16. they dug him up
and they use him as a ceiling fan in the oval office
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:37 AM
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19. That's the funniest and most terrifying thing I've read today.
Great comment!
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 09:54 AM
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20. and we have a heat wave going on
they will have to make him spin faster as it gets hotter
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:40 AM
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21. That deserves its own OP
I'd rec it, anyway.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:06 AM
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:08 AM
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3. If you dig deeper...no it is wrong
The Presidents don't, themselves, have any authority to create policy. They can try to lead or direct Congress into creating policy. They can sign or veto bills. But they can't create policy on their own. That included FDR.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:09 AM
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4. He could support legislation that supports it instead
of appointing deficit commissions and giving credence to falsehoods that it is the problem. Voters from both parties have bought in that cutting is needed right now because of the politicians and media. However, good governance is related to right and wrong, not polling data.
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:11 AM
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5. Absolutely true
That was my point. He could support the many ideas of job creation...which will of course be ignored by the Republicans. But at least he could control the messge that he put forth 20 solid ideas and the blocking came from the right in the House. That is the frustrating part of this whole thing.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:18 AM
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10. Yes, so frustrating to the point of depressing.
I'm tired of arguing with both the right and Democrats and having my loyalty questioned while all I'm trying to do is point out the bad direction.
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SwampG8r Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:46 AM
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17. plus infinity on "loyalty questioned"
i tire of this tactic
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:11 AM
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6. Hogwash and claptrap.
Agreed it is a collective effort, but to absolve the president of responsibility for the economy (and job growth) is absurd.
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:15 AM
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8. There's nothing absurd here at all
It is a fact. A President can't implement the policies and money needed to create jobs. He can suggest ideas, create commissions, deliver legislative ideas, support stimulus, ask for funds for infrastructure bills, etc. But if the House doesn't let it come up in committee then nothing happens.

What would you suggest he do?
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:14 AM
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7. Carney is correct
If things go well, Congress goes to the voters and says, "look how well we did for you!"


If things go badly, Congress goes to the voters and says, "look how badly the President delivered!"

The President proposes, signs or vetoes, and nominates. Congress creates, enacts and confirms.
This is why the term "Obamacare" is such a cruel Republican joke. If Congress had indeed enacted
what Obama had originally wanted (same goes for the stimulus), then we'd all have been a million
times better off. To call their butchered, watered-down version of health care reform "Obamacare"
is like pouring vinegar into a glass of wine, and then calling the wine a bad vintage.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:57 AM
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18. very well put-
:thumbsup:

thanks
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:17 AM
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9. If the President has the power to destroy jobs by signing free-trade agreements
he can most definitely set the tone for job creation in this country. Where did all that stimulus money go to that was supposed to create jobs? Why are we still at 9.2% unemployment?
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:21 AM
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11. My feelings exactly
He can set the tone...nothing more. And he isn't doing that. The media will cover him more than anything in Congress. But he isn't setting the tone.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:33 AM
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12. How about education?
This is an honest question btw. Is he saving good teaching jobs and public schools or using funds of the department to fund TFA and privatization that creates low paying, no-future jobs and immense rakeoffs at the top at taxpayer expense. Seems like that is a job effect. Are there any efforts at all, even verbally to undercut job exportation overseas or importing foreign workers? That is one open wound that some backed treaties might keep making worse? I am not up on the numbers or WH actions to the contrary so I am willing to get updated on this.

It seems that the main beef is actually what the pro-active capabilities of the WH have been expended on and not even a show of effort that might perturb Wall Street.
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:43 AM
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15. There doesn't seem to be any verbalization
The President can certainly try to set the tone, albeit verbally, to stear Congress in the right direction. The big problem is that he isn't doing this. Even if he did though the Right Wing Congress probably would simply ignore him and not bring anything to committee.

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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:24 AM
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13. Spoken like a real Hooverite Republican.
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:41 AM
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14. Hah thanks for the nice laugh
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