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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:46 PM
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How come businesses used to flourish before regulations
were removed and when they all paid their taxes. The arguments about reasons why they're not hiring make no fugging sense. It's fugging sabotage and greed.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:48 PM
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1. K&R
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:49 PM
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2. Yeah, seems like the country did a lot better when there were regulations
in place and companies paid their fair share...funny that.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:49 PM
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3. You are correct... Sabotage....
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:49 PM
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4. x
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 03:50 PM by LiberalFighter
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:52 PM
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5. It is just another hollow republican talking point
Job Creators is a false title given to the money hoarders.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:53 PM
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6. Correct
Stupid teabaggers believe whatever the right wing media tells them no matter how big a pile of bullshit it is. They do not have the ability to find out real facts.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:56 PM
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8. But the facts are there
Everything worked better with regulations and with the collection of taxes.
Unless these criminals are locked up they will become even bolder.
The one problem I have with Obama is that he did not lock up the Wall street criminals and the war criminals.
Had they been tried and locked up, every fugging one of their cronies would have changed their behavior by now.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:39 AM
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67. Thats the only thing I have against the man too and for the same reasons.
Rec'd
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:54 PM
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7. Because it's necessary to recognize that you can't leave
the doors to the bank vaults unlocked and not expect bank robbers to take advantage of that.

Republicans and New Democrats believe that you can, that you can depend on the goodness of their hearts to not steal that money to gamble with.

Well, that's what they claim. In reality they fully intended to steal it but somehow managed to get rid of the locks with the approval, sadly, of both Parties whose job used to be, to guard the people's money from major bank robbers.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:57 PM
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9. Yes, it would be disingenrous of us not to expect the criminals
to keep robbing the bank vaults when the owners are more then happy to hold the door for them! One day we will have adults in charge of the govt...just not today it seems.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:57 PM
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10. I agree - throwing them in prison would have
stopped this by now
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 03:57 PM
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11. Regulations have not been removed.
A ridiculous statement.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:05 PM
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14. Oh!? Did you know something during the GWB years the rest of us don't know?
You post is ridiculous.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:15 PM
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16. Exactly what regulations on businesses have been removed?
Be specific.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:22 PM
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21. See post #20.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 04:24 PM by Rex
Also, don't forget about Enron and the deregulation of the energy market...unless you think that was a boon to the economy?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:07 PM
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15. degregulation of banks and rolllback on enviornmental regulation have both occured the last 30 years
were you sleepign through all that?
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:18 PM
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17. And coincidentally Banksters and Big Oil are the ones with the biggest percentage of wealth.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 04:20 PM by FarLeftFist
As they pulled a heist and raped the earth.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:19 PM
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18. What rollback of environmental regulations have occurred on business?
Be specific.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:22 PM
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20. The deregulation of the financial industry for one.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 04:25 PM by Rex
Or will you deny that?

Don't forget the ending of oversight over Wall Street and banks...that worked out GREAT now didn't it? :eyes:
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:22 PM
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33. As usual you are not being specific just sloganeering.
The OP said all business had been deregulated. Pure nonsense.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:23 PM
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43. Funny how I don't see those words in the OP.
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 07:23 PM by Rex
"How come businesses used to flourish before regulations were removed and when they all paid their taxes. The arguments about reasons why they're not hiring make no fugging sense. It's fugging sabotage and greed."

Please point out where it says 'all business', thanks and take your time no rush.

And thanks for avoiding the truth when presented to you...it makes it understood you don't care about what I said or anything else. You are wrong.

Bu-bye now :hi:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 02:42 AM
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61. George W. Bush**, War Criminal, gutted food safety in the first couple of months in office.
We've been living with the repercussions of that for a decade now. The housing crash, the mortgage fiasco, Iraq and Afghanistan "contractors", etc, etc,

If deregulation worked, why are we paying $1000 a gallon for fuel in Afghanistan/Iraq?

Are you arguing with the Op literally or based on semantics? IE - "all businesses have been deregulated", key word being "all".

Doesn't the state of this country, of We The People, not prove the OP?

Please excuse this if I've misunderstood.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:25 PM
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36. rules about media consolidation and ownership, as well as standards regarding content are GONE
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:27 PM
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48. Thats why I posted the other day we need the Fairness Doctrine
and people pointed out it would never work with modern mainstream media in the state we find it in.
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:24 PM
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23. Energy Policy Act of 2005 and Commodity Futures Modernization Act, to name a few
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 04:28 PM by FarLeftFist
Commodity Futures Modernization Act-The essence of the act was the deregulation of derivatives trading (financial instruments whose value changes in response to the changes in underlying variables; the main use of derivatives is to reduce risk for one party). The legislation contained a provision -- lobbied for by Enron, that exempted energy trading from regulatory oversight. Basically, it gave way to the Enron debacle and ushered in the new era of unregulated securities.

Energy Policy Act-The provision in question, Section 322, exempted hydraulic fracturing, a drilling process invented by Halliburton commonly known as “fracking,” from the Safe Drinking Water Act. Cheney not only offered permanent regulatory relief and rolled back existing environmental laws to help the oil industry. This particular example also demonstrates the administration’s willingness to distort science to benefit Big Oil and others.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:34 PM
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24. I posted the facts and all I got was crickets.
:hi:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:00 PM
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27. And you are surprised because?
:rofl: :hi:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:25 PM
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46. Here we go...
I know it is sad and fun at the same time...thanks for the OP, it really burns people up don't it!? :rofl: :hi:

DUDE!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:33 PM
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50. Their argument makes no sense
There is not one shred of empirical evidence behind their BS.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:01 PM
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55. That is the first time I've seen recent history called 'sloganeering'.
Like this shit ain't been going on for 30+ years! GOPukers are currently working on destroying the unions, trying to finish off what Reagan started. Now owned by Communist China that love deregulation and the US Chamber of Commerce. You either have oversight or corporations come in and grab what they can. The Fed rolls over and lets some of the bigger corporations suckle off the govt teet...but that is okay. And don't get people started around here about Wall Street or the SCOTUS, they will fall on their swords on cue.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 05:29 AM
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62. Well said
What's more with all the cut backs and firing of public sector workers, the few Fed staff left cannot guard the well financed crooks.
They talk about the debt being left for their children and grandchildren -maybe it's time the left pointed out the orchestrated ReTHUG looting of the states' and nation's public property.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:24 PM
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34. No you didn't post facts.
You posted slogans. Not all of us are at computers 24/7 breathlessly waiting for a reply. Some of us have lives.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:24 PM
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44. Slogans? Really thats the best you can come up with?
Sad.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:25 PM
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35. So this means all businesses have been deregulated as the OP asserts?
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:47 PM
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42. Deregulating the banking industry and the oil industry amongst others
Pretty much is all that matters. Those 2 are America's biggest areas of concern, oil and money/banking, and deregulating them allowed ripple effects through many other industries.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:26 PM
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47. Yes the energy industry and banking...not that that will mean anything
to certain posters. The smoke and mirrors are now aimed at ALL businesses, which is not what was said. Oh well.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:30 PM
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49. You keep asserting the OP said something they did not say.
You've already been presented with several examples of major business deregulation from the past 15 years or so.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:37 PM
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56. You apparently did not read the OP.
Given that it is fairly short I don't understand why you couldn't. But here is the quote "How come businesses used to flourish before regulations were removed and when they all paid their taxes" That implies that businesses are operating without regulations. That is just silly. I used to work for OSHA and we enforced regulations that went on for 1200 pages. And OSHA is just one very small part of regulations that affect all business. Saying that a couple of regulations here and there have been waived or repealed and then using that to imply business was running without any oversight is absurd. But since you could not read the original OP I don't expect that you will be able to understand that.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 12:28 AM
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60. Is english your second language?
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 12:29 AM by Marr
Saying businesses all used to pay their taxes is not the same as saying none do now, and even further from saying they've all been completely deregulated.

I understand you don't want to recognize objective facts (like the fact that the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act was a banking deregulation act), but let's at least agree to speak the same language.

You seem to be saying that if any business regulations exist, then deregulation does not exist. Are you alright? That sort of myopic, rigid thinking isn't often encountered outside of Ayn Rand fan clubs.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 05:47 AM
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63. I wrote the OP
Things are decidedly worse since deregulation and nothing about the demands for more deregulation makes sense. The same is true for taxes. Tax cuts for the rich have only benefited the rich. There have been more jobs lost than gained. These neo-liberal policies have failed abysmally.

In case you are not aware even the limited regulations recommended by the Obama administration are being blocked by ReTHUGS.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:31 AM
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64. No you didn't.
:sarcasm:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:32 AM
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65. LOL
Spitting coffee :rofl: :hi:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:43 PM
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58. Sorry dude but you are not worthy!
Deregulation only happens to unicorns and dragons.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:59 PM
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26. OK then
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act

and this is just the financial sector
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:31 PM
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38. So you are saying there are no regulations at all on the financial sector.
"The U.S also has one of the most highly-regulated banking environments in the world, focusing on privacy, disclosure, fraud prevention, anti-money laundering, anti-terrorism, anti-usury lending and the promotion of lending to lower-income populations. Individual cities also enact their own financial regulation laws (for example, defining what constitutes usury lending)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_regulation_in_the_United_States

And does this mean there are no regulations on other businesses?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:24 PM
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45. Didn't see that in the OP, but keep trying.
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:39 PM
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57. " Deregulating the banking industry"
That implies the financial industry is without regulation. Your power of argument is lacking. Work on it.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 11:44 PM
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59. You move the goalposts well...er wrong...you have no argument.
How sad that you know nothing of the industry of the last 15 years. Must be nice to live in la la land.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:03 PM
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12. You've got sabotage on the wrong foot.
Sabotage is when French workers threw their sabots (shoes) into the machinery owned by elite corporations that worked them half to death for a pittance.

We could probably take a page out of those pissed off French worker's book. :shrug:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:05 PM
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13. they actually had to have good quality and used quality control, only had so high a profit
about 40%, had to manage and upper echeon only got so much pay
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:21 PM
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19. Because it's not about business - it's about greedy individuals getting richer
i know your question was rhetorical.

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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:24 PM
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22. Malaise, somebody, please help! LOL
My brain is pure mush after debating for days with a teabagger family member. His arguments are circuitous and make no sense to me! He even denies that the birther controversy was anything beyond "Chris Matthews and Donald Trump."

Please, please, someone help craft a response, 'cause I'm too tired to do any more. I'm done after this. We're on two different planets. He is mentioning specifics here that I am just too tired to look up (and it's rare for him to mention specifics, so I do want to address it...lol).



As for for your comment about the Tea Party member that made the film about Palin, "Undefeated" and the fact taht he did not answer the question as to why he and republican do not want to allow the "BUSH tax cuts" to expire. I will explain but first, why are the tax cuts that Clinton signed into law in 1997 not vilified by democrats and why are they not constantly referred to as being the Clinton tax cuts. Just wondering!!!

After the "Bush" tax cuts, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics from August 2003 until the end of 2007 more than 8.3 million jobs were created and the economy had 52 consecative months, "the longest uninterrupted job growth on record." The unemployment rate remained at 5%. After the "Clinton" tax cuts the economy went up at a greater rate than in his first four years in office. During the Reagan years his Tax cuts also increased job growth and all the tax increase actually increased the revenue that came into the treasury. Even when President Kennedy lowered the tax rates revenue increased from $94 billion in 1961 to $161 billion in 1968 an increase of 62% (33% when adjusting for inflation).

If we look at history, tax increases have lowered revenue and lowering taxes has increased revenue. So, why do you want the government to receive less revenue or do you believe this time revenue will increase.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:04 PM
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28. My response to that rubbish would be
HUH - do you watch Fox all day?
Good luck. :fistbump:
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:08 PM
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29. LOL...yeah, I just gave up. This has been going on for years, and....
YES, he does watch/listen to Hannity, Boortz, etc., all day. He is not a Rush Limbaugh or Beck fan, so I'll give him that much.

;)

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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:09 PM
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30. 1st give a BIG LOL. Then inform the person that everything they posted was false and a lie.
Then tell them to do their own research and that you aren't going to hold their hand and walk them through it.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:40 PM
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52. I can debunk that bullshit in four links:
Job Creation: A Ten-Year Retrospect:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/94

Tax Cuts do NOT lead to Economic Growth and is one of the Worst Ways to Stimulate An Economy:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/64

"Punishing Success???"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/124

MMfA Debunks the Supply-Sider Argument that Bewsh Tax Cuts Raised Revenue:
http://mediamatters.org/research/201012010032
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:52 PM
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53. A great girlgonemad post that will make TeaHadist Bewsh-supporter's heads explode:
Private sector added virtually no jobs during the last 10 years (from August 2009):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=114&topic_id=68585
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:00 PM
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54. LOL. Thank you! :)
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 04:58 PM
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25. supposedly, they weren't making enough
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:10 PM
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31. This is what drowning the Country in a bathtub looks like.
n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:12 PM
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32. It's probably more about the business-model than regulations
People have always been expected to pay taxes on what they earned. Big-Huge-Mega Corporate merger mania of the 80's & 90's changed all the rules though.

Once upon a time, ordinary people "invested" in companies they knew about, or had family connections to. Local companies were well known in their communities and raised cash through family, friends & locals...and of course local bankers.. The hoity-toitys who invested in the stock market were not all that interested in small/local companies.

Most people had a pension to look forward to, they had the promise of Social Security, and they had savings..They had all three legs of the three-legged-stool covered.

Computers probably made the "new/exciting/Las vegas-style" trading very interesting to stock market types, and once they figured out how to manipulate it for their benefit, there was no stopping them. Merger mania turned local businesses into little more than pawns to be gobbled up, stripped and sold off for parts...and then replaced by the ubiquitous big-box stores & malls.

When the same people own the businesses, the banks, the media and the government..well we know what happens next:(
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 05:30 PM
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37. Yes
I was talking with a friend who works in the oil patch up here in Canada. We were talking about unemployment in the US - and my friend says to me that there are tons of jobs available in a new gas field in Penn. - but that no one was hiring because no one was qualified.

I said, "Why the heck don't they invest in training people then?"
He shrugged and said, "Up here, that is exactly what would happen. There are allot of servicing jobs that need to be done, and will need to be done on a long term basis there." He continued," the mentality down there is very different than here. For example, the job I do requires allot of training, and my boss makes sure I get it and stay current. He invests in me, and I, in turn am more valuable to him. My boss also spends allot of money investing in equipment and technology to make our jobs easier and better. I was talking to a US worker who does the same thing I do and I could not beleive what they were working with - and the result was they were never going to be able to get the same results/quality of work of what we do. We are so busy right now, we can barely keep up - and yet down there, there IS work to be done, and they will not invest in people to get it done....it is weird. And they complain about regulations, but our regulations up here are far far far more stringent."
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:07 PM
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39. So his boss invests in him.
Does the employee show loyalty to his boss, or if somebody else comes along and wants to pay a bit more will the employee and the investment leave?

(Most large employers also invest in their employees. Small employers can't because they don't have the assets.)

That there are jobs but no one is qualified has to make one wonder what it would take to be qualified. (Perhaps 5 years ago it was pointed out that the US had far more 4-year degree holders than it needed and far too many people with either just high school degrees or no high school degree. In other words, stuff that requires a couple of years of college or some other kind of training. But the kids that can go to 4-year-college typically do, graduate with fairly pointless degrees as far as occupations go and have lots of debt; while those who are happy just to be out of high school don't bother with more school.)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:25 PM
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41. Nice post
It really is a stupid argument that can be destroyed in a minute
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 06:22 PM
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40. DING DING DING!!! We have a winner, folks! If tax cuts create jobs, where are the JOBS? nt
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 07:42 PM
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51. Remember back in the 50s and 60s, when we didn't have rich people?
Wealthy socialites had to give up their penthouses for more proletarian residences:




Oh, yeah, that was just on TV shows.

Nope. Somehow people still got rich.

Somehow we managed to go to the moon and invent the entire microelectronics industy, when obviously we were punishing innovation. :sarcasm:

Gee, you think they got rich by investing in the people who made their money, rather than getting (more) rich by squeezing them?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:36 AM
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66. Its all sabotage and greed, plain and simple :hi:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:39 AM
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68. Good morning
:hi:
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