It's really kicking off in London

Pretty bad. Looting in Enfield, Ponders End, Edmonton at least...

http://twitter.com/#!/paullewis

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/blog/2011/aug/07/tottenham-riots-police-duggan-live

http://ukrp.musicradio.com/lbc973/live

:shrug:

Is it rebuilt yet?

This sort of violence has little to do with 'justice' and a lot more to do with simple opportunism.

that have closed thanks to Cameron's cut backs?
What do you think idle youth do? Look I read that classic by E.P. Thompson - The Making of the English Working Class and there have been riots for centuries.
Public school boys- yes those from Eton, St Pauls and Westminster used to smash store glass windows because their team lost at cricket or football.

Idle young men start riots - it's not rocket science.
Add hopelessness to the toxic brew and you see what's going on across the planet.

Now they have to stay in school until 18, and keeps them off the unemployment statistics...

Especially when we factor in "economic justice" to the equation.

so my question still stands: When can we expect the same thing(s) to start happening here?

police and British Afro Caribbean communities...

and nothing has really improved in 30yrs...no matter how much you want to spin it..

:shrug:

based on these incidents...and nothing has really improved with race relations and the police. I grew up there and was raised there...there's more vandalism that occurs after a football match, than anything against the government - they are protesting the racial aspect to this story...only 1 UK newspaper even carried a report of the race of the man that was shot. That's strikes me as odd..it's the first thing mentioned here..

I wrote about injustice leading to mobs -- generally speaking, happy people don't riot.

They may dance --but that's a different story. ;-)

of institutionally racism unfettered..and communities don't trust the Asian or Black minorities hired onto the force..

...for riots (and social fraying?)

You seem to think I'm defending the police unequivocally over the rioters?

Now, if you want to talk Jake and Elwood Blues... ;-)

He isn't the first..and won't be the last..

http://www.voice-online.co.uk/article/tottenham-shooting-victim-police-have-jammed-me

TOTTENHAM SHOOTING victim Mark Duggan sent a Blackberry message warning friends that undercover police were in the area 15 minutes before he died. Friends of the 29-year-old showed The Voice a broadcast he had sent at 6.04pm alerting them that officers from Trident had “jammed him up”. Less than 15 minutes later, he had been shot twice by The Met’s specialist firearms unit.

The Guardian newspaper has since reported that a bullet found in a police car radio belongs to a police weapon, and not from a non-police gun as previously thought. It casts further doubt on claims that it was Mr Duggan who shot at police first.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) earlier revealed a weapon had been recovered at the scene that did not belong to the police.

:shrug:

With so many out of work there

Injustice does not lead inevitably to mindless mobs. And mindless mobs do not accomplish what King did.

I think our corporate masters are getting a little worried...

probably when one of those "flash mob" assholes on the east coast gets themselves shot.

"Police have arrested 55 people as a major investigation began into the terrifying and swift escalation of violence, which followed a peaceful demonstration to demand "justice" for Duggan, 29, a father-of-four shot dead on Thursday evening after being stopped in a taxi near Tottenham Hale. The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) has launched an inquiry into the shooting."

But, yes, it may go beyond that. People have had it with austerity in Europe, and some of that anger may well be expressed.

ETA: Forgot to add my cite: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/07/police-attack-london-burns

Unlike US media, very few reports mention Duggan's race...there has always been tensions between the police, and their treatment of the black community

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/katharinebirbalsingh/100099830/these-riots-were-about-race-why-ignore-the-fact/


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100099808/the-disturbances-in-tottenham-tonight-are-profoundly-depressing/

t’s hard to watch the footage of the disturbances in Tottenham tonight without being reminded of the Broadwater Farm Riot 26 years ago. As a cub reporter on the Times in 1986, I was dispatched to the North London estate on the first anniversary of that riot, instructed by the news editor to remain on the scene throughout the night in case a repeat of the previous year’s disturbances occurred. Nothing happened, but the atmosphere on the estate was tense and I was terrified I’d be mistaken for an undercover police officer.
What’s so depressing about tonight’s outbreak of public disorder is that it indicates that little or no progress has been made when it comes to relations between the police and the local African-Caribbean population, particularly the local youths. The trigger for the original Broadwater Farm Riot was the death of Cynthia Jarrett, the 49-year-old mother of a young black man called Floyd Jarrett. She collapsed and died during an altercation when the police came to her home to arrest her son. There was a demonstration outside the police station the following day in which police officers were pelted with bricks and petrol bombs. Later that night, the disturbances spread to the Broadwater Farm estate, with a fire breaking out in one of the housing blocks. The fire brigade came under attack when they entered the estate and a police officer who was trying to protect the fire fighters was murdered by a violent mob.
Tonight’s disturbances are almost a carbon copy of the events of 26 years ago. They were triggered by the death of a 29-year-old black man who was shot and killed by Operation Trident officers on Thursday night. Protests by community leaders were followed by outbreaks of disorder, just as they were in 1985. Tottenham was a tinderbox then and, judging from the pictures on Sky News this evening, it’s a tinderbox now.

that makes it even clearer.

the handling of the case was bungled by the police..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Stephen_Lawrence

here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/TBF/23

Looks like the racially motivated police brutality is just as bad in the UK as it is here in the US.

because the attempted arrest was part of Operation Trident, which is about stopping 'black-on-black' gun crime.

ie when there had been some more details than just 'a man', and takes us roughly up to the end of Friday. These are the results from Google News, with the earliest first:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8682655/Man-killed-in-shooting-incident-involving-police-officer.html

(picture of Duggan) http://www.hackneyhive.co.uk/index/2011/08/man-shot-dead-in-tottenham-hale-police-officer-injured/

"officers from Trident" (and picture of Duggan) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2022670/Gangster-Mark-Duggan-shot-police-London-cab-shootout.html

"Operation Trident, which deals with gun crime in the black community" http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3734274/Man-shot-dead-by-police.html

"Trident operational command unit, which deals with gun crime in the black community" http://www.staffordshirenewsletter.co.uk/News/Cab-passenger-shot-dead-by-police-253733.xnf

"Operation Trident, which deals with gun crime in the black community" http://news.sky.com/home/article/16044150

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/871499-policeman-saved-by-radio-as-gunman-shot-dead-in-tottenham-hale

"part of a pre-planned operation under Trident" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14423942

"Operation Trident was set up by the Met in 1998 to investigate gun crime in London's black community" http://www.haringeyindependent.co.uk/news/9181207.Tottenham_Hale_man_was_shot_by_firearms_officers_after_arrest_attempt/

"Trident - the Metropolitan Police unit dealing with gun crime in London’s black community" http://www.hornseyjournal.co.uk/news/armed_police_shot_tottenham_man_during_mini_cab_arrest_1_986264

http://www.thejournal.ie/radio-saves-policemans-life-by-catching-bullet-194694-Aug2011/

"Operation Trident, the Metropolitan police unit that deals with gun crime in London's black communities" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/05/man-shot-police-london-arrest

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=451050&version=1&template_id=38&parent_id=20

"Trident, which deals with gun crime in the black community" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/officer-saved-as-bullet-hit-his-radio-in-gunfight-2332670.html

"Trident operational command unit, which deals with gun crime in the black community" http://news.scotsman.com/uk/Passenger-shot-dead-by-police.6813795.jp

That's 11 out of 15 that mention Operation Trident or give a picture of Mr. Duggan, with most reminding readers that it's about gun crime in the black community. I can't see how you possibly arrive as 'only 1 did at first'. If you only read 2, perhaps ...

:fistbump:

when Italy blows up the Euro? It's OK, German police can handle it ;)

They'll throw them out of the ERM (the Euro) and retain the core European nations in a Euro more like their old DM.

The PIIGS will have to float a new currency and take a massive devaluation.

Germany will always do what benefits Germany first.

Chicago School economic - supply side, trickle-down, anti-Keynesian voodoo economic as the basis for international free trade.

Why do I have the feeling we're coming up on 1848?

It's about a police shooting....and UK police brutality in the black community..

It is the nearest, most visible face of the government.

the bullet hit his police radio--and then he shot back and killed the suspect.

That cop was hit by another cop's bullet...many reports are saying Mark Duggan was in fact unarmed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023543/Tottenham-riot-Bullet-fired-officer-belonged-police-fuelling-fury-shooting-Mark-Duggan.html?ITO=1490

NOT

Not handled well by the Metropolitan Police..

..this will blow over down South....I don't see it gripping the country

Factoid. The rabble is at the gates...good thing the uber wealthy knew to make their state manors gated and guarded like the billionare said the other day! What's his face?

The (corrupt) RuleR$ have literally been ASKING for it...

The worm turns

you know. They got it from us. There's a great documentary on it with Brit economist Niall Ferguson that everybody should see. I think it is:

The War of The World (Complete) - 2010
http://www.mytvblog.org/?p=8006

Just saying ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8-BI89mb9A">They're rioting in (London) | Kingston Trio, Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8-BI89mb9A

We have had plenty of police shootings here in the US with no result of a destructive riot.

Fresh video of London riots: Crowd street rampage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP-td3C55Yc