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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:26 PM
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LAT: Major U.S. companies 'beginning to give up on the American consumer'
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-consumers-overseas-20110808,0,6193915,full.story

Many major U.S. companies are making big plans to expand overseas even as some of them announce new layoffs at home, and there's a chilling reason why: They're beginning to give up on the American consumer as a source of future growth.

For years, U.S. companies went off shore to get cheaper labor and lower manufacturing costs for products to be sold to Americans. Now, as the nation's economy stalls and personal incomes stagnate, they see consumers in Asia and Latin America as offering brighter prospects for future sales and profits.

In effect, as many corporate executives look ahead, the United States has a diminishing place in their thinking.

... Big multinational firms are adding droves of sales and marketing employees in countries such as China, India and Brazil — even as many cut back or hold the line on employment and other spending at home.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:29 PM
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1. For some reason when I was reading this...a song came to mind
...Take the money and run...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:29 PM
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2. Reminds me of V for Vendetta......


"Did you like that? USA; ulcered sphincter of Arse-erica. I mean, what else can you say? Here was a country that had everything, absolutely everything, and now, 20 years later, is what? The world's biggest leper colony."


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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:30 PM
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5. That too. But wasn't it nice of Congress to give them ALL of our money
via tax breaks so they could get out of town with more money? Rescind the tax breaks. NOW!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:31 PM
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8. I'll take it a step furhter, TARRIFFSSSSSSS
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:36 PM
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10. Taxes. Tariffs. Troops. If not--Tar and feathers
That's the key to fix this.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:59 PM
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19. If they are producing and selling overseas what will tariffs do?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:14 PM
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25. They are producing in China and sending to the US
so if Apple wants to do that... fine, let's tax them to import those computers until they pull of the US completely, or they open a factory in the US, leading to... hopefully good paying jobs and getting that demand going.

Oh and I said Apple, I could have said Nike, Levys and a few other hundred companies in the top tier that have moved that production abroad.

Of course they decide to move abroad, you got a niche in a new emerging industry that now you need to protect from FOREIGN competition,
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:19 PM
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27. Well they are producing overseas so if they start selling overseas won't they skip over us?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:23 PM
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28. Yes, they become FOREIGN competitors, and
you have the niche for mom and pop computer company to do this in the US... with US workers, and US programers. In other words, we start from the bottom.

They want a reset... fine by me. Will be tough, but it will be tough anyway. But the US needs to pull out of free trade agreements at this point.
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fivepennies Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:29 PM
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3. Expect shortages.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:29 PM
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4. Didn't I mention the last few days
that the LARGEST middle class by raw numbers is in the Asia market?

Thank you.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:31 PM
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6. Overseas sales can only last for a 'limited' period.
Why? Simple. Credit cards have upper-limits... (but since hundreds of million such cards can be issued, it could take some time before every such cards holder will reach it, and then what?).
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:24 PM
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29. How many years did it take us to max out?
A couple of decades?

Also, if they don't come out of college with such large debts they may have more room to borrow
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:44 PM
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30. As far as I know, their 'salaries' are not 'growing' much more than
they are here...

So, I predict when they MAX OUT their 'freely given' credit cards... they'll find themselves as stuck as WE are... :crazy:

Then what? :shrug:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:48 PM
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32. Nope. Huge wage inflation.
The Latest On The Wage Inflation Mess Breaking Out All Over China

High wages are reported to do more damage to an economy by pushing up inflation, than high commodity prices. Now, China is grappling with rising wage and commodity prices and a disappearing labor pool.

The situation has got so bad, the Asian giant is said to be rejecting orders from Wal-mart and other Western retailers.

In a new report Williams Inference analyst John Trudigan gives us details on the Chinese labor situation:

Labor shortages have been prominent all over China especially in major coastal manufacturing cities. There is a 555,000 shortfall in major cities in the region that include Guangzhou, Shenzhen, and Dongguan. In the Guangdong Province officials estimate a 1 million shortfall.

More

http://www.businessinsider.com/china-labor-market-2011-07
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:54 PM
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33. Thanks, Now what about India? n t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:57 PM
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34. There too: India's Talent for Wage Inflation
Indians are chasing after fatter wallets, so fast that it could further fuel inflation in an already hot economy.

Expectations of salary increases are back where they were before the downturn froze wage boosts during 2008 and 2009. On an average across the services industry, which accounts for more than half of the country's gross domestic product, Indians expect a 14% increase in their income annually, and up to a 40% gain if they change jobs, according to Aon Hewitt, a human-resource consultancy.


India always has had a dearth of skilled talent despite its large young population, due to an inadequate education infrastructure. The lure of high-consumption-driven growth, meanwhile, has global and domestic companies expanding rapidly. And they are battling for talent by offering juicy salaries and incentives.

It doesn't stop here. Higher wages and multiple options mean Indians are spending less time in one job. "It's getting rarer to find young workers spending even 18 months at an entry-level job," says Sangeeta Lala, vice president at TeamLease, a staffing company.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703786804576138212218225544.html



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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:09 PM
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37. Indians expect a 14% increase in their income annually, and up to...
But compared to here, a 14% increase on what previous BASE?
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:31 PM
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7. Too funny, as the LA Times' readership has largely given up
the LA Times :) Paid daily subscribers now well below 1,000,000. They lost me for good when they fired Bob Scheer. Long gone are the days of Otis Chandler. The bean counters took over and ran the LATimes into the dirt (whence beans come :)
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:34 PM
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9. "ran the LATimes into the dirt (whence beans come)" What a great line.
:rofl:
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:41 PM
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11. Gave up on the American worker, more like it. nt
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:41 PM
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12. Kick them the hell out of the country
LEECHES!
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:42 PM
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13. Well this could possibly be an opening
for small businesses to step in and take the giant evil corporations share of the economy especially if we can really get people to buy only from American companies and American made products.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:44 PM
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14. Yeah. Maybe if we're no longer of interest either as laborers or consumers,
they'll all go away & leave us to fend for ourselves.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:15 PM
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26. You will need tarriffs to protect them this should
no, it will not, kill free trade.
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:45 PM
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15. In the long run, it would actually be better if we consumed less and produced more. n/t
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Old Codger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:54 PM
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16. First they
Lay everyone off, then refuse to hire anyone so no one has any money to buy their products then they bitch because no on is buying their product.... Hmm sounds like perfect republican logic to me....
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:57 PM
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17. Traitors! n/t
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 08:58 PM
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18. They gave up on us years ago. n/t
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:00 PM
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20. Good riddance.
Much of the crap we buy is just consumer shit we can get along without.

And the stuff we can't do without we will make locally. We will have to create our own jobs rather than expecting big business or the government to make them for us.

Food, shelter, clothing and rock and roll.
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Skip_In_Boulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:05 PM
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21. Yep, the days of our highest value being a consumer
are over. Now our highest value will become that of being cheap labor.

It comes as just deserts really as we spent decades living large on the backs of overseas cheap labor, some who were routinely brutalized, and now it has become our turn to fulfill that function.

Karma really is a bitch.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:07 PM
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22. If they do give up, they are dumber than I expected.
We are all worked up into a frenzy and get the shit scared out of us, and we cut back on spending because we are uncomfortable. But when things do turn around (and they will one of these days), Americans will be sooooo ready to start spending again. It seems to be in the culture, and that will not change in the long run.
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Jim Warren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:11 PM
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23. The relentless shark of insatible growth
The American Dream extended into the Global Dream.
Of course, 13 planet Earths will be needed for the 7 billion consumers.

Somebody stole the real purpose.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:11 PM
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24. Don't let the door hit ya on the way out, corporate America!
You made this mess, and now you're gonna take your toys and find a new home.

How fitting.

:thumbsdown:



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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 09:45 PM
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31. wtf is that supposed to mean?
Edited on Sun Aug-07-11 10:00 PM by shanti
:shrug: are they just going to stop selling to us, or are they going to raise prices dramatically?
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:03 PM
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35. We're screwed even more if that's at all possible. No jobs, no buying, no buying, no jobs.
After they used us up they'll now move onto the next golden opportunity. The cycle begins anew, overseas. Star Trek Episode #35, The Doomsday Machine.

I hope all their efforts blow up right in their faces.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:25 PM
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39. Oh, it WILL blow up in their faces.
But it IS blowing up in OUR faces first.

(Unless they R 'forced' to pay their fair (1960-1980) share of TAXES.)
(IF they want to 'keep' their 'exceptional' US citizenship... which I have no doubt they do...)

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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:06 PM
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36. K&R
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:10 PM
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38. The business/economic/political sector is fucking stupid.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-11 10:31 PM
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40. If they gave people jobs and money to spend
Odds are, they'd be spending it. :shrug: They've been busting unions, cutting wages, throwing people out of work, and shipping jobs overseas for years now. What did they think would happen at some point?

:wtf:
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 05:36 AM
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41. What we need to fix it is more free trade agreements.
On a Democratic board I really shouldn't need to point out that that's sarcasm, but since Free Trade is now apparently part of our platform, I guess I should.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 05:42 AM
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42. recommend
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ladyVet Donating Member (279 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:45 AM
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43. wonderful
First they send our jobs away, leaving us with part-time "mcjobs", now it's our fault we can't buy their slave-shop goods.

Oy.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:15 AM
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44. Tariffs! NOW!
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