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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:19 AM
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Like FDR, the President needs to talk to the American people...
Stop the closed door negotiations.

If he wants to survive these challenges to his leadership, he must change the way he tries to negotiate with Republicans and Tea Partiers. They are not the type of people that want to negotiate.

He needs to talk directly to the people. Tell them what is happening and needs to happen. Tell them to put pressure on their Congressmen to get it done. This would be much more effective than sitting behind closed doors trying to figure out what to give the Tea Party to appease them further.

It is unfortunate that he filled his Cabinet with Republican advisers. He is not getting good advice. Surprise! Surprise!

If he is perceived as a weak President, which is a likely danger for him, he will not win the next election, no matter how many millions he has in his warchest. Money is not the answer to every problem, Mr President. You had better connect with the people and soon.
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ellenrr Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:23 AM
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1. He does talk to the people
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 06:27 AM by ellenrr
every time he opens his mouth lies come out.

He is not a weak president. The imperial presidency has never been stronger. Still coming up with the "bad advisors" excuse, huh?

How long does it take people to get it?
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from David Sirota, http://www.truth-out.org:

This storyline is a logical fallacy. Most agree that today's imperial presidency almost singularly determines the course of national politics. Additionally, most agree that Obama is a brilliant, Harvard-trained lawyer who understands how to wield political power.

Considering this, and further considering Obama's early congressional majorities, it is silly to insist that the national political events during Obama's term represent a lack of presidential strength or will. And it's more than just silly -- it's a narcissistic form of wishful thinking coming primarily from liberals who desperately want to believe "their" president is with them.
Such apologism, of course, allows liberals to avoid the more painful truth that Obama is one of America's strongest presidents ever and is achieving exactly what he wants.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:25 AM
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2. Whatever he is doing...
it is not working.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:08 AM
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11. We need to hire
Gordon Ramsey to negotiate.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:27 AM
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16. or just fire his madison avenue ad agency. nt
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:39 AM
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4. Sirota is full of shit.
If there ever was an imperial presidency (debatable point), it's certainly not in place now. Sure, he has the bully pulpit, and nearly unbridled authority with regards to his role as commander-in-chief. Otherwise, the President must convince others (Congress, the bureaucracy, interest groups, other nations, and most importantly the people) that it's in *their* interest to do what he *wants*. Has Sirota and his amen chorus never heard of "divided government"?

It's amazing to me that people are so proud to publicly reveal their abject ignorance of the way American politics works.

Besides, wasn't Sirota a vocal "liberal" critic of Bush's "unitary executive". Now he's whining about how Obama is not behaving as a king. Good Lord...
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:54 AM
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18. Bad advisors, my ass. How many "he is SMARTER than you" threads
do we see here in the course of a month? I've known smart people who were poor administrators but they had the sense to know it and they found deputies to do the heavy lifting for them. It certainly never took them years to figure out they'd hired a poor subject matter expert and replace him/her.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:31 AM
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3. The President needs to talk to the American people like FDR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjSTQwamo8M

"Govt by organized money is just as dangerous as govt by organized mob."
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:09 AM
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9. there is a big difference between FDR and Obama's time
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 07:09 AM by melm00se
Back in FDR's day, the only source of immediate news and entertainment was the radio, in today's world people have access to umpteen TV channels, the web, radio (severely weakened) etc.

The president does give weekly radio addresses but those are, for the most part, ignored by the general populace and only of interest to the media (as a source of information). if you asked regular americans if they were aware of the weekly presidential addresses and where they could hear them most would give you the look of "huh?"

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:16 AM
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10. And FDR had the luxury of a Senate comprised of 70 Dems and a House comprised of 320+ Dems.
Obama is saddled with an obstruct at every turn cabal of teabaggers, whose highest purpose is to make him (and the nation) all fucked up.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 10:01 AM
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20. and the different make up of the
House and Senate today has exactly what to do with Obama's communication strategy?

The current makeup of the Legislative body has a big impact but it is not the cause of every issue facing Obama.

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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 10:27 AM
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21. Then he needs to be talking to the people
And build some coat tails!

Do that by putting the blame where it lays.

-Hoot
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:52 AM
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5. I think the American people need to talk to Obama...
As in WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?
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newfie11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 06:55 AM
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6. +1
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CarmanK Donating Member (459 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:07 AM
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7. NO, he needs to LISTEN AND ACT on behalf of the American people!
He is listening to his TEAM OF RIVALS that have essentially given him some really bad advice. He just didn't seem to realize, that the Team that Lincoln put together may have disagreed with each other but they were truly dedicated to the SUCCESS OF THE UNION. Obama's team is a mixed bag of Party loyalists, CORPORATE PUPPETS and arrogant, know-it-all fools whose loyalties are flip/flopping all over the place. They are unreliable patriots, because country does not come FIRST. That does not make them traitors, just very, very bad public servants.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 07:07 AM
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8. He's a great talker. He's the best campaigner I've ever heard. His rallies were magic
Unfortunately his walk didn't match his talk. He swept into office riding Hope and Change then appointed Goldmann and Sachs to run his finances. Aside from Rumsfeld FINALLY leaving, the military and covert intel agency heads played musical chairs and the illegal wars escalated and expanded in scope.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:10 AM
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12. When he talks too often he is parroting RW Talking points or
sounds so close, people roll their eyes.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:15 AM
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13. He missed a great chance to do that in his speech the week before the debt deadline.
I was hoping to hear an angry, forceful president pulling no punches about what was at stake and who was behind it all. But no, the same old "Come, let us reason together" bullshit.

Math error or not, S&P is right: If we can't get our shit together politically, how can we ever hope to get our financial house in order?
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:25 AM
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14. He needs to talk to them in terms they can understand
ie: no big words
repeat yourself a lot
use graphs and pictures
repeat
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:26 AM
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15. He needed to talk to the American people a year ago...
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 08:28 AM by Javaman
no, I'm not talking about the really lame ass announcements, addresses or staged press conferences, I'm talking about FDR fireside chats.

He need to lay out what the fuck he is doing and say it in a way that doesn't insult us.

I'm honestly tired of his professor to student, parent to child, I told you so to the doubter, I want a president that sits us down, shows a little compassion, a bit of anger and a PLAN.

I'm so tired of the talks and "town halls" that are nothing more than campaign speeches masquerading as "relating to the little people".

If I see him eat another fucking hamburger on TV, I'm going to fucking puke.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 08:54 AM
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17. A page out of FDR's book would be called for, also..........
President Obama might want to review the history of another President, Abraham Lincoln.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 09:30 AM
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19. Right, we need another speech from Obama...talk, talk, talk.
Words and promises are cheap. Actions and results mean much more.

Check out this link from 12/09: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/drew-westen/leadership-obama-style-an_b_398813.html How have things changed in over a year and a half?

"Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator"

As the president's job performance numbers and ratings on his handling of virtually every domestic issue have fallen below 50 percent, the Democratic base has become demoralized, and Independents have gone from his source of strength to his Achilles Heel, it's time to reflect on why. The conventional wisdom from the White House is those "pesky leftists" -- those bloggers and Vermont Governors and Senators who keep wanting real health reform, real financial reform, immigration reform not preceded by a year or two of raids that leave children without parents, and all the other changes we were supposed to believe in.

Somehow the president has managed to turn a base of new and progressive voters he himself energized like no one else could in 2008 into the likely stay-at-home voters of 2010, souring an entire generation of young people to the political process. It isn't hard for them to see that the winners seem to be the same no matter who the voters select (Wall Street, big oil, big Pharma, the insurance industry). In fact, the president's leadership style, combined with the Democratic Congress's penchant for making its sausage in public and producing new and usually more tasteless recipes every day, has had a very high toll far from the left: smack in the center of the political spectrum.

What's costing the president and courting danger for Democrats in 2010 isn't a question of left or right, because the president has accomplished the remarkable feat of both demoralizing the base and completely turning off voters in the center. If this were an ideological issue, that would not be the case. He would be holding either the middle or the left, not losing both.

What's costing the president are three things: a laissez faire style of leadership that appears weak and removed to everyday Americans, a failure to articulate and defend any coherent ideological position on virtually anything, and a widespread perception that he cares more about special interests like bank, credit card, oil and coal, and health and pharmaceutical companies than he does about the people they are shafting.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 10:30 AM
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22. It's his policies that are the problem. The talking is just windowdressing.
nt
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