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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:41 PM
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Has the President stated his intentions on the Bush taxcuts?
Would it not help the economy if he said he was going to let the entire taxcuts expire?

Perhaps he has said already and I just missed it?

Ambiguity of this sort is not healthy.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:42 PM
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1. Several times. But what are his current intentions?
And whatever they are, how soon is he willing to cave on them?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:43 PM
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2. the drive-by unreccer who already visited likes the lack-of-a-clear-stand, I guess
sadly
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:49 PM
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11. thanks for reminding me! *unrec*
:D
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:59 PM
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22. disingenuous, from one of the great drive-by posters
seeing the OP's headline, you were rushing over to unrec, anyway!

:thumbsup:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:43 PM
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3. At the end of 2012 per the terms of the debt deal. It's one of the triggers.
You must have missed it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:45 PM
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5. I read about the "triggers"....
But I must have missed that one? Do you have a link perhaps?
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:45 PM
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4. I doubt that a statement would make much difference. n/t
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:45 PM
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6. Here you go. Simple google search
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tax-cut-deal-president-obama-expected-announce-terms/story?id=12327282

In a nutshell, he extended them once, to protect the unemployed. But they will come to an next time around. I think that will be in 2012.

Clear enough for you?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:47 PM
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8. That's an old link.
Very old. That was the initial extension, in order to get unemployment benefits extended, rather than fighting for them.
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:50 PM
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12. ...................... He got them extended...but didn't fight for them?...Your logic is
Ah-mazing.

What other extension has taken place?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:52 PM
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16. I'm talking about next year..
not 2010. Will they be extended again or made permanent or what is going to happen?
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:54 PM
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18. Well, I assume, following the link, that Obama will try and get the extensions for the top earners
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:58 PM
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20. You have validated my fears.
Thanks.

<snip from your 2nd link >

And therein rests Obama’s opportunity. With Republicans so focused on keeping the Bush tax cuts alive, the president could use another extension to protect Democrats’ most cherished programs when the congressional super-committee created by the debt deal starts its work in the fall. If he commits to extending some or all of the Bush cuts, Obama not only could gain significant leverage to influence the outcome of the committee, he also could position himself for the 2012 elections as the honest, moderate broker between the extremes of both parties.

And that’s what Obama’s fellow Democrats are afraid of. In the wake of the debt-ceiling fight, which saw major gains for Republicans and Tea Party interests and huge cuts to discretionary spending that liberals cherish, Capitol Hill Democrats describe a caucus that is bitterly disappointed in the outcome of the debate and deeply skeptical of the president’s ability, and even interest, in protecting their most important priorities.

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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:05 PM
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25. So you don't think he should extend the tax cuts for the lower to middle income families?
If he commits to extending some or all of the Bush cuts, Obama not only could gain significant leverage to influence the outcome of the committee, he also could position himself for the 2012 elections as the honest, moderate broker between the extremes of both parties.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:08 PM
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27. It's not the "some" that bothers me as much as the "all"...
But, yes, I think all the Bush taxcuts should be allowed to expire. If everybody must sacrifice, why not those making less than $250,000?
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MrDiaz Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:19 PM
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34. are you taliking about
The same president. So he extended them once but you are now looking for a reason why he would not let them be extended again. last I checked he always told us that he never agreed to them in the first place, and now you need a reason to believe that he will not extend them again? Obama has severly dissapointed me as a President, and I for one will try my best to find another democratic leader that can be voted in as president, becaus e OBAMA will NEVER get my vote again.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:21 PM
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35. I am trying to give this President every opportunity and...
every benefit of the doubt to do what is best for this country. I understand your position and cannot argue with your rationale.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:47 PM
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7. Over and over and over and over again
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 03:48 PM by Recursion
He wants to extend the tax cuts for incomes less than $250,000 and let them expire for incomes above. It's what he ran on and he hasn't changed that position over the past three years.

He has literally said this dozens of times.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:49 PM
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9. Has he said it since the debt limit deal...
it's a new world.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:02 PM
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23. Since that's what the debt limit deal is based on, that should be obvious
In case it's not, the expiration of the Bush tax cuts is the only way to prod the commission to engage in actual tax reform that eliminates the ridiculous exemptions and deductions we currently have that leave GE paying nothing in taxes on several billion in profits.

He has stated, in as many words, since the debt ceiling deal, that he will veto an extension that includes the cuts for people making more than $250,000 per year.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:49 PM
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10. He says he'll veto an extension for "high-income" earners if there's no tax reform
coming out of the Joint Committee.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:51 PM
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13. What the hell does that mean??
If they close the loopholes, he will extend the Bush taxcuts? Of course, loopholes are always found around loopholes.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:51 PM
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14. I think that's the right interpretation. n/t
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:28 PM
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38. Yes, he'll take the revenue in closed loopholes rather than rates if need be
He'd probably prefer that actually. Hell, I'd be happy to trade lower rates for an end to legislation through the tax code, as long as it's revenue positive.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:29 PM
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40. Closing loopholes is a scam, in my opinion.
They will never close the loopholes. Once the rates are lowered, we will see the loopholes in the loopholes.
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:52 PM
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15. It seems we've learned alot from FOX here. "I'm just asking a question"
"has President Obama ever come out and said he wasn't muslim"

Perhaps he has said already and I just missed it, but hey who knows...


Ambiguity of this sort is not healthy.......
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:53 PM
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17. Clear as mud.
Just like the President.
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:55 PM
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19. yup yup you just go right along and keep peddling your wares
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 03:55 PM by DFab420
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 03:59 PM
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21. This is from your link above:
How do you interpret it?

<snip>
And therein rests Obama’s opportunity. With Republicans so focused on keeping the Bush tax cuts alive, the president could use another extension to protect Democrats’ most cherished programs when the congressional super-committee created by the debt deal starts its work in the fall. If he commits to extending some or all of the Bush cuts, Obama not only could gain significant leverage to influence the outcome of the committee, he also could position himself for the 2012 elections as the honest, moderate broker between the extremes of both parties.

And that’s what Obama’s fellow Democrats are afraid of. In the wake of the debt-ceiling fight, which saw major gains for Republicans and Tea Party interests and huge cuts to discretionary spending that liberals cherish, Capitol Hill Democrats describe a caucus that is bitterly disappointed in the outcome of the debate and deeply skeptical of the president’s ability, and even interest, in protecting their most important priorities.
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:04 PM
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24.  If he commits to extending some or all of the Bush cut
So the operative words there are SOME.

Some of the tax-cuts could be extended. Including those that support and help lower income and middle income families. Is that a bad thing? I don't think it is. Do you?

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:06 PM
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26. some or all?
what does that mean? He is open to extending the taxcuts on the wealthy if he can get some reforms?
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:09 PM
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28. Well since I'm not a mind reader. And can only go on what he's said
And since he's gone on RECORD saying he won't extend tax cuts for the wealthy, I assume he just isn't going to do it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:11 PM
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29. That's not what the link says?
You assume he just isn't going to do it?
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DFab420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:13 PM
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30. Just like you assume he is??
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:14 PM
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31. OBAMA tax cuts, I think you mean.
:hi:
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MrDiaz Donating Member (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:14 PM
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32. yes it would
help the economy, and he did not care, he signed them back into law when they were about to expire. They are now the OBAMA TAX CUTS.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:16 PM
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33. If he said he intended to let them expire, would anyone be stupid enough to believe him?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:22 PM
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36. The Bush tax cuts have expired. The Obama tax cuts opened the door for the contrived debt-limit
crisis and the evisceration of the big three with no meaningful cuts in MIC spending and surely no meaningful tax increases for the uber-wealthy and large corporations who will continue their 30+-year sucking frenzy at the public welfare teat. :patriot:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:25 PM
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37. Damn! This is depressing.
I'm sorry I started this thread.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-11 04:29 PM
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39. Don't be sorry: it's not all bad for Cantor and others have reportedly bet against
against the USA and maybe stand to make a bundle. ;) :patriot:
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