Every time I think I just can't vote for Obama, something happens

bat shit crazy happens. this time it's in the form of Rick Perry who is definitely running and who I think could win.

Perry/Rubio. Try that on for size, guys.

As bad as the present is, the future -- with one of those thugs in charge -- is absolutely horrifying.

we may as well burn down our homes, kill our grandparents and walk the country side as drifters because that is what is going to happen anyways.

I draw a line, as a 60+ year old, when it comes to killing grandparents.

That would be too easy, and would lead to an overly solvent Social Security and Medicare.

Then Republicans would just raid that all the more to avoid having the rich pay taxes.

The Repukes WILL, not might, WILL dismantle Social Security and Medicare and many "old people" will died anyway, if the Repukes are allowed to regain power.

They had complete control of all three branches of Power for most of the first Decade of this millinium. Bush* even proposed Privatizing Social Security and had both Houses at the time...The reason is that Democrats in the Senate would not allow it..However if a Democratic President Proposes the exact same thing they are likely to allow it.......I am no where near as afraid of ANY Republican President as I am of how things could play out under Obama... Democrats stand up a behave like Democrats when they are in opposition to Republicans but they sure as hell don't when it is a Democrat they are supposed to oppose....I believe Obama will do more damage to Democratic Programs than Republicans could only Dream of doing..

The Tea Party. The baggers have dragged the entire country so far right, they are even further then the Nazi's, the reason they have not done anything yet is because there is a relatively small number of them still.

He's a monster.

out of Congress,(House and Senate) ASAP.

control of the House and Senate. Give Obama the Congress that FDR had and then evaluate the man on his policies. People, regardless of how you feel, you can't sit this one out or help republicans in any way.

but stranger things have happened. He is bat-shit crazy!

he'll be up against a weak field, he reportedly has a very good team. He's male. Yeah, I think odds are he will get it.

Romney stands a chance this time. Romney seems to be the kinda guy tptb like. I don't feel the crazy tea-party holds as much sway as they did in 2010.

Who knows????? :shrug: But I'm sure we'll find out when the time comes.

if his choice is Backman, Palin, Perry, etc., the "batshit crazies", he won't vote at all. Romney he will vote for, but not the lunatic fringe. This is where the Republican Party and their crazy "base", is out of touch with mainstream Republicans. They will cut off their nose to spit their face. My husband could are less about God, Gays, Abortion, and Relgions. They might please their base, but they will lose the middle. They cannot win with these extremes.

Me? I will vote for Obama ANY DAY over those morons.

republican but the old kind. They are smart enough not to want the crazies in charge. They will not vote.

No matter how disappointed we progressives may be in Obama imagine what things would be like if McCain and Palin were running the country. It really puts things in perspective.

The election of Perry wouldn't be believable.

that's what worries me most.

Tied in with a bunch of complete wack jobs

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The Biggest Religious Movement You Never Heard of: Nine Things You Need to Know About Rick Perry's Prayer Event
Perry's endorsers are not just a random group of radical evangelists but part of a large and little-understood international religious movement.
August 6, 2011 |

When Texas Gov. Rick Perry decided to stage a Texas-size prayer event — dubbed “The Response” — on Aug. 6, it no doubt seemed like the right thing to do at the time. It received little critical scrutiny when he announced it back in early June, except on websites that track these sorts of things. But after Rachel Maddow, drawing on these sites, did a segment highlighting some of the more bizarre statements made by Perry's high-profile religious endorsers, things cooled considerably — even though the real story is still not remotely well-understood.

“Perry’s endorsers are not just a random group of radical evangelists making outrageous statements,” researcher Rachel Tabachnick subsequently wrote at Alternet.org. “These are the apostles and prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), the biggest international religious movement you never heard of.” Almost simultaneously, investigative reporter Forrest Wilder of the Texas Observer published an extensive article on Perry's prayer event and his endorsers, “Rick Perry's Army of God.”
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http://www.alternet.org/belief/151911/the_biggest_religious_movement_you_never_heard_of%3A_nine_things_you_need_to_know_about_rick_perry%27s_prayer_event?page=entire


See this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzEgKcM2mqg&feature=player_embedded


And read this:

America's own Taliban

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Until recently a fringe evangelical movement, warned against as deviant, "spiritual warfare" is rapidly positioning itself within America's mainstream political right. It's well past time for political journalists to start covering what this movement is up to.

As an example, leaders have bragged online about the destruction of Native American religious artifacts, which their twisted ideology somehow sees as a liberating act, promoting "reconciliation" between estranged groups of people. Critics, however, see it as reflecting an eliminationist mindset, while traditional conservative evangelicals have denounced the ideology as un-biblical. Some even claim it is actually a form of pagan practice dressed up in Christian clothes, according such artifacts a spiritual power that the Bible itself denies.

The ultimate goal is to replace secular democracy, both in America and around the world, with a Christian theocracy, an ideology known as "dominionism". The supposed purpose is to "purify" the world for Christ's return - again, strikingly similar to what the Taliban believe, but also significantly at odds with more common, long-standing Christian beliefs about the "end times", as well as the nature and purpose of prayer, and the roles of human and divine power.

This description might seem utterly fantastical, but copious evidence for it is hidden in plain sight, scattered across the internet, in books, on YouTube, and tracked by a small community of researchers at sites such as Talk2Action.org and RightWingWatch.org, as well as by evangelical critics. The question is: When will America's mainstream media catch up?

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http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117259426336524.html

With the current crop of Republican hopefuls, the only way one will beat Obama is if they are allowed to do that by Democrats choosing not to vote.

Take if from somebody from Wisconsin, when Democrats choose not to vote, leaving Republicans to take over the government, bad things will happen. Count on it.

Not matter how disappointed many are with Obama now, it will not compare to the hell we would know if Republicans take over the entire federal government: the presidency, both houses of congress, and the supreme court. Republicans would then move swiftly to dismantle anything connected with the Democratic Party.

Then they will consolidate their power. They will further suppress voting in any way possible and it will be more than a decade, if even that soon, before we have a chance to come back to even a semblance of power.

Grown-ups need to live in the real world and not indulge themselves in fantasies about Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich coming to rescue us because it ain't going to happen.

Why in the hell are we rolling over and accepting what we know is a mediocre presidential candidate who we already KNOW won't fight for us -- instead of We The People generating a candidate of our own?

Draft Frank. Draft Hightower. Draft Sanders. Draft Rachel Maddow -- draft SOMEBODY who cares about what we care about. But fight for a change!

Why should we roll over and play dead?

Because the DLC says to?

that can actually win. There is no point of indulging liberal fantasies (I did that when I cast my first vote for McGovern) when the country will never elect a liberal candidate.

If you want to wish for things that will not happen aim higher for something like world peace or an end to hunger.

and Frank, don't stand a snowball's chance in a blast furnace of winning the presidency. And no, it's not because the defunct DLC says anthing.

It's called fucking critical thinking. Try it.

very thing you are talking about. Nader was that alternative candidate....sorry but that's history.

We should elect many more Dems in the House and Senate and vote for President Obama.

In 2016 we vote for someone that may be more progressive.

We MUST start thinking not just short term satisfaction but long term planning. We are very bad at that.

We are living the results of 30 years of Republican planning coming to life.....

you just can't refrain from running here & telling us, can you?

do show and tell, dear.

I'm in a foul mood and just need to walk away from the keyboard. I am sorry for a knee-jerk reaction (emphasis on the JERK part).

And that pisses me off, but hey what can ya do? Not like we get to really pick our leaders, just vote for the most popular.

If a right wing fascist becomes president he will appoint fascist Justices. As simple as that. I have personally been trying not to micromanage President Barak Obama. I am not naive but I feel he is up against some diehard close minded fascists. Given that whatever he succeeds in accomplishing is done against such intransigent losers he gets my vote.
This is the tea party downgrade. Our President kept them at bay as best as he could. They were intent on achieving the default to create chaos. I don't understand why fundamentalists are supporting this misbehavior other than they see that people will show up for church when things are bad. There is also the buy off and intimidation of many, many good people by the Koch Brothers cash for power model.
We cannot give up and we must all vote.

Question

http://wearemany.org/v/2011/07/civil-liberties-under-obama

Sounds like campaign gold to me.

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