And they would have to address another view besides defunding subsistance programs, "entitlements", and about everything else in non military discretionary spending.
8. Yeah Bernie, put yourself millions of dollars in debt to satisfy liberal fantasies.
But then Bernie is not a Democrat, is he?
Or do you mean 3rd party? Because we all love to think what a 3rd party teahadist candidate would do to the Republicans, so why not the Democrats as well?
In the end the next president will be either Obama or the Republican candidate. Reality sucks doesn't it? But only if you have to operate within reality.
14. Franken was the choice of the hyped up Left, until Franken's votes
supported compromises the Left despise. Grayson would be their choice if they were sure that Grayson would not air a taliban Perry commercial at the wrong time and fuck his chance of winning one state in a general. I hear that Bugs Bunny is a dyed in the wool extreme liberal. Look for a draft Bugs movement.
10. Sen. Saunders would just be used to club Obama over the head by the media.....
Don't know if Bernie wants to be used in this way.... as he might feel it is more destructive than any good that would come out of it.
I myself wouldn't mind if he ran. It would divide Democrats further, and we could continue not paying attention to Republicans....and they would love that! :thumbsup:
11. Honestly if we don't mount some kind of progressive challenge to Obama
We are just saying we'll lay down and take it.
Honestly - if the challenge were to go beyond the Democratic Primary I'd have to vote for Obama - particularly since I live in a contested state but damn! We need to show this guy we are pissed and we are not going to take his weak leadership anymore.
Seriously I feel like I'm trying to hold up the progressive position all by myself. I know I have Krugmann Rachel Bernie and others particularly those here but still I'm just feeling pretty frustrated trying to defend the democrats today when their leader and president can't even do it.
15. Careful ...progressives get attacked on this site.
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 07:53 PM by L0oniX
DU is letting progressives get thrown under the buss. I'll bet that eventually there is going to be a big purge against progressives. It's better to just shut up and watch it all happen.
16. I can't see him winning..but it could end the media blackout of progressive views on economic issues
Edited on Mon Aug-08-11 08:14 PM by Douglas Carpenter
in popular mainstream discussion. I'm not even sure it would do that given the total corruption of the popular mainstream media of today. But it has been decades since even a real live New Deal Democrat perspective has been given the time of day in popular national discourse - much less anything even remotely left-wing. But Bernie has an uncanny ability to communicate his democratic-socialist views in bread and butter language that opens minds even of people who are otherwise conservative.
Of course he cannot win, but as far as this harming Obama's reelections prospects - I don't think so. In fact it may very well kill off the whole right-wing mime that Obama is some kind of leftest or ultra-liberal. That canard could likely be left in tatters. The general public may even be educated to see the differences between the center-right New Democrat perspective and a liberal/progressive perspective and come to understand that Obama is center-right but the view put forward by the Republicans is right-wing extremist and has no place in the modern world.
Truthfully I have mixed feelings about the whole matter. I never believed Obama was liberal or progressive in the first place thus I'm not as disappointed as some. And I do understand the concerns about softening up Obama and the risk of contributing to a right-wing victory in November. But if we are specifically talking about Sen. Sanders - he is so issue oriented - I doubt that his campaign will be a plus for the most reactionary Republican Party in American history.
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