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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 02:58 PM
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This does not bode well : New Low: 17% Say U.S. Government Has Consent of the Governed
Fewer voters than ever feel the federal government has the consent of the governed.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 17% of Likely U.S. Voters think the federal government today has the consent of the governed.
Sixty-nine percent (69%) believe the government does not have that consent.
Fourteen percent (14%) are undecided.

(To see survey question wording, click here.)
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/questions/pt_survey_questions/august_2011/questions_elections_august_1_2_2011)

The number of voters who feel the government has the consent of the governed - a foundational principle, contained in the Declaration of Independence - is down from 23% in early May and has fallen to its lowest level measured yet.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2011/new_low_17_say_u_s_government_has_consent_of_the_governed

That kind of feeling is what triggers violent protest.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:00 PM
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1. Our government only seeks the consent of the elites -- it's "bugger all"
...for the rest of us. To borrow a phrase from the current riot zone.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:06 PM
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2. +1
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:06 PM
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3. Not really
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 03:08 PM by atreides1
They seek our consent evey election cycle...after that they don't give a flying fuck!

And just like the definition of insanity...when the next election cycle rolls around we re-elect the same asshats, hoping for a different result.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:15 PM
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8. Giving us an artificially restricted choice every four years,
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 03:24 PM by Raksha
and forcing us to choose the lesser of two evils over and over and over again, does NOT result in "the consent of the governed" even temporarily. That 17% figure is frightening but not surprising. It's the stuff revolutions are made of.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:08 PM
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4. We have a government of, by, and for the corporations.
We the people are irrelevant.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:09 PM
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5. At the risk of sounding optimistic (which I'm not) this report may be a good thing
It's beyond awful that we don't have representation anymore, but it's good that people are noticing.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 05:39 PM
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22. Valid point, I think.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 12:25 PM
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28. That's what I was going to say. It IS a good sign.
It's been obvious for a long time that we are not governed by consent. This will only change as a result of everybody recognizing the truth.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:10 PM
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6. They will cling to power until the last SWAT team is exhausted
The financial elite in this country produces nothing, it lives off of financial schemes. It lacks creativity or the ability to
even understand creativity in business and government. It is crony capitalism moving toward total kleptocracy.

They have to go, all of them.
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Yavapai Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:35 PM
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16. I agree with autorank!
We need another Teddy Roosevelt to stop the robber barons!

We need another Harry Truman to speak the truth!

We need another John Kennedy to inspire us!

And we need an ebola virus breakout in the Supreme Court!
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:13 PM
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7. Nothing will change until we chase the payola out of DC.
Congress critters don't care what "we" think because they don't have to.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:20 PM
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11. They should care that they have lost legitimacy, because that's what that 17% figure means.
It's impossible to spin it any other way. No government survives for long after it loses legitimacy--how long did it take for the Soviet Union to fall? That's what I'm starting to see on the horizon and rapidly approaching. Scary stuff.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:21 PM
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12. It needs to begin locally, however.
We need to chase the greedy corporate bastards out of our state legislatures, first.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:17 PM
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9. Wow, and I thought we were far from tipping point
We may still be far, but that's a bad an yet encouraging number.

The theater is being disassembled, and people are noticing.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:18 PM
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10. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, dixiegrrrrl.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:21 PM
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19. My mouth was open for about 5 minutes after I found the article
as the implications of it swirled around my brain.

The only thing worse would be if the implications never developed.

That poll needs to go viral, for sure.
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Lifelong Protester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:24 PM
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13. Does that mean they think the government is just going on along
without our consent (non-responsive)? Or that government does not LEGITIMATELY have the consent of the governed (as in, who do we think WE are, expecting the government to listen to us)?
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:23 PM
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20. Well, there is this:
Further, only eight percent of Americans believe that their Congressman (or woman) listens to the voters as opposed to "party leaders."

And only six percent rate Congress' job performance as "good" or "excellent."

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:24 PM
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14. Let the looting begin!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:24 PM
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15. Not to worry. The government knows how to deal with this.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:42 PM
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17. Well, what's wrong with that 17%, anyway?
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Kelvin Mace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 03:52 PM
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18. We are one trigger point
away from the riots we saw in London. When All the cuts Obama has helped the GOP impose start to take effect and the economy slumps completely into depression, there will be blood. (Not from me, I'm a pacifist).

The most likely trigger is if the Tea Party get their asses handed to them in the next election. These people have a tenuous grasp on reality at best, are heavily armed, and being super-heated by violent rhetoric.

Things like this are just the sort of thing to trigger a riot:

http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/19708/hate-crime-killing-on-video-ms-white-teens-beat-black-man-then-drive-over-him-in-pickup-truck
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:31 PM
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21. DUH! What more does it take?


And instead of the above,
we get THIS?
Eat Your Peas



DUH!
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lonestarlib Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 06:00 PM
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23. They only care about a certain 1%.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 05:40 AM
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24. I guess that means we need more tax cuts for the rich, austerity for the old and poor and more wars.
Seems to be the only things the Executive and Legislative care about.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 05:43 AM
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25. K&R No, we are not being democratically represented - not by this President or this Congress.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 05:56 AM
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26. beleive it or not, there is a relatively simple solution
all that needs to be done is dilute the power of individual legislators and Constitution does have a provision for this.

You could interpret Article I, section 2 (The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative) as requiring far more legislators than we have now.

Currently, there is 1 legislator for every 560,000 people. This concentrates the power in such a small group that money spent per legislator for influence is, at worst, a bargain.

If we increase the number of legislators to approach the above Constitutional interpretation (1 legislator for every 30,000 is an unwieldy number - 10,000 legislators but let's say 1 per 100,000) you dilute the power of each individual legislator and exponentially increase the costs by anyone or anything to exert undue influence on the legislature. The costs increase so much so that it is no longer a bargain but a burdensome cost.

this would, unfortunately, only address the House, to alter the Senate in a similar way would require a Constitutional amendment and that is highly unlikely to occur.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 11:10 AM
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27. At this point, it is clear no one in DC is paying any attention to the Constitution at all.
Interesting point you have there.

With this super Congress we seem to have put the power of decisions in the hands of LESS people, not more.
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