Disgusted Americans Unify to Change Political System

cy18

(38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 04:35 PM
Original message

Disgusted Americans Unify to Change Political System

An interesting perspective on how disgusted Americans can unify to change our political system. It ties in the riots in the UK as an example:

http://www.cyinterview.com/2011/08/do-not-break-it-to-fix-it-a-unity-of-disgust-can-lead-to-positive-change

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

Ruby the Liberal

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 04:41 PM
Response to Original message

1. There is no 'there' there.

The steps are simple. Choose peace. Obey the law. Embrace your Constitutional rights. Organize. Activate. Speak up. Vote. The future is in the hands of the people.

A good place to start, in the wake of the recent debt ceiling debacle, would be to demand of Congress and the administration that they cut their salaries in half. Symbolic, perhaps, yet meaningful. Leadership comes at a price. Those who claim to lead must lead by example. It is up to the people to see that they do.

First of all, Citizens United just reaffirmed that congress is bought and paid for, voting is a mere formality. If you aren't the highly financed candidate in the race, you won't even get a mention in the local news, much less airtime in county/state/national races.

Secondly, as the S&P downgrade showed us, it matters not ho much we call, write, and email. Some people have the ear of legislators and it aint us.

"Its a big club, and you ain't in it" - A great prophet we lost long before his time

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

Warpy

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 04:47 PM
Response to Original message

2. US Day of Rage was posted on my KNITTING site

so yeah, I'd say the anger is out there and building very quickly.

People feel there is no way out. Even if the vote isn't diddled, the electees are bribed or threatened into toeing that Koch Brothers line once they get to Washington.

People with no hope are damned dangerous people.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

Ruby the Liberal

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #2

4. On a knitting site?

Shits gettin real.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

Warpy

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #4

6. Knitting is mostly being done by uppity broads

and very secure men who use long, pointed sticks and can hurt you with them.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

jwirr

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #6

7. Was just telling my granddaughter that knitting was a lost art. What

site are you using?

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

Warpy

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #7

9. Knitting, far from being a lost art

is a tremendous fad these days, especially on college campuses. There are dozens of sites and blogs out there and I'm represented at a lot of them under a variety of different names.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

jwirr

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #9

10. Thank you - maybe I can get one of them interested in learning.

My mother tried to teach me both that and crocheting but gave up - said if the world ever needed a long string I could make it for them.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

Warpy

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #10

11. My mother tried to teach me at three and pronounced me hopeless

If she'd waited four years to teach me, when I had the manual dexterity to do it, it would have saved me decades of thinking I was hopeless before I sat down and learned out of a book.

Mothers are not always right and sometimes they can be destructive.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

jwirr

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #11

12. Well in my case I have a perception disability and I just cannot

envision many technical things. My sister tells me that if there had been an understanding of my problem when I was in school they could have done something about it but at 69 I don't think I need to change it anymore. Used to living this way and I know my limitations.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

DeSwiss

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 04:53 PM
Response to Original message

3. K&R

While I agree with the underlying sentiment, we don't have to "break it" because it is already broken. It has been broken for quite some time now.

- The current system cannot stand. Either we all have a right to exist on this planet and to share its resources equally, or no one does.

"In the Bill of Rights of the United States, there is an attempt to secure certain freedoms and protections by way of mere text on paper. Now while I understand the value of this document and the temporal brilliance of it in the context of the period of its creation, that does not excuse the fact that it is a product of social inefficiency and nothing more. In other words, declarations of laws and rights are actually an acknowledgment of the failures of the social design.

There is no such thing as 'rights' - as the reference can be altered at will. The fourth amendment is an attempt to protect against state power abuse, that is clear. But it avoids the real issue, and that is: Why would the state have an interest to search and seize to begin with? How do you remove the mechanisms that generate such behavior? We need to focus on the real cause.

I�m not saying that laws and rights are not needed at this time. They certainly are. But we need to hone our focus toward solving the actual problems. And by the way for all the nationalists out there, I'm not attacking the US Constitution. However, it's not the answer. It's naive to think that this document has that much relevance. I am a fan of people like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich, I believe that there is a place for the work that they do. But it's not the answer. The history of America is just like the history of every other country on this planet: It is a history of deception, fraud and corruption. There is nothing to 'return to' for the integrity was never there to begin with. We must move forward, not backwards.

We have to understand that government as we know it today, is not in place for the well being of the public, but rather for the perpetuation of their establishment and their power. Just like every other institution within a monetary system. Government is a monetary invention for the sake of economic and social control and its methods are based upon self-preservation, first and foremost. All a government can really do is to create laws to compensate for an inherent lack of integrity within the social order. In society today the public is essentially kept distracted and uninformed. This is the way that governments maintain control. If you review history, power is maintained through ignorance." ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPmHaTirnCc">Peter Joseph

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

Speck Tater

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 05:21 PM
Response to Original message

5. It's too long. If the whole philosophy won't fit on a bumper sticker the American people will sleep

right through it, or turn the channel to something with more flash-bang and catchy slogans.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

Broderick

(1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore

Wed Aug-10-11 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #5

8. So right

60 percent didn't even vote in Wisconsin, the hotbed of politics for the moment. But 9 million Americans watched some Jersey folks get their freak on in the last episode.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top

DU AdBot (1000+ posts)

Sun May 05th 2024, 01:37 AM
Response to Original message

Advertisements [?]

Top

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.