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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:40 PM
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Slaying of 3 Muslims lays bare divisions (UK riots)
Source: AP

BIRMINGHAM, England (AP) -- With police nowhere to be seen, the Muslims of Dudley Road armed themselves with bricks and stones, clubs and cricket bats to fend off carloads of marauding gangs.

A carload of rioters sped into a fleeing crowd of shop defenders, witnesses said, hurling three young men into the air and killing amateur boxer Haroon Jahan, 21, and brothers Shazzad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31.

"We all had stones in our hands. But we had no defense to stop a car. They revved their engines and drove right at us as fast as they could," Mohammed Ibrahim, 23, told The Associated Press. "These black men deliberately tried to kill us all."

"We'll hunt down these black men, cut off their heads and feed them to our dogs," said Amir Hawid, 20, who lives just a hundred yards (meters) from the killing scene and heard the screams of the crowd at the moment of impact.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BRITAIN_RIOTS_MUSLIMS_KILLED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT



These riots are a lot more complex then "the poor oppressed youth taking on the man."
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:43 PM
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1. Yes, yes they are and now the SA... err English Defense League
is also taking to the streets.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:52 PM
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5. They are doing that
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 05:08 PM by dipsydoodle
probably in small numbers on the back of some football clubs as was the case in Eltham High Street with the Millwall FC supporters.

See here : http://searchtopics.independent.ie/article/0glc08q2jY1Rt?q=London

To save you bother of figuring some the names used : they're all accepted nicknames for London football club supporters.

Yid Army are Tottenham supporters
Gooners are Arsenal supporters
Headhunters are Chelsea supporters
West Ham is West ham.........ICF / Inter City Firm became defunct years ago : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_City_Firm

Use of all those names further helps to confirm it wasn't really the English Defense League as such.

btw - it is a bit unusual for the "firms" to team up in this way which is what is suggested in the article above. The way they dress has never really changed much over the years : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APb7TeeN8Tg They do tend to get a bit violent but in a way which doesn't really affect the public at large - they keep it to themselves "off road" as it were

I've cut and pasted the above from another post. Its not meant to come over a bit blunt and sorry if it appears so.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:43 PM
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2. Some Asian / Black conflicts here go back to the '70s
The rest of us stay out of that one.
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War Horse Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:44 PM
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3. Chilling n/t
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 04:45 PM
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4. These divisions sound really ugly
and it shows that this goes way beyond the old paradigm of hostile white "natives" vs. non-assimilated immigrants.

Like during the riots in LA, it shows a complete breakdown in law enforcement as well and their unwillingness and/or inability to do anything to help and protect the victims of this violence.
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 05:25 PM
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6. Government cuts mean 1 in 5 police officers in the UK will lose their jobs
Edited on Wed Aug-10-11 05:26 PM by fedsron2us
This is one of the factors behind the law enforcement failure.

Even now Cameron refuses to reverse these measures.

Lack of manpower has left some areas unprotected so naturally communities have started to organise their own defences.

This is exactly what happened in Ulster at the start of the Troubles.

Cameron is a fool if he does not recognise these risks.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 07:46 PM
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9. Law enforcement only freaks out when the violence spills over
to other areas, think rich and white, then it truly becomes class warfare.
Something that won't be tolerated and will be put down by any means available.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:09 PM
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10. like with the korean americans who were out with guns defending
their stuff from being looted and burned.
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Bosonic Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 06:20 PM
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7. News is the father of the 2 murdered brothers has just had a heart-attack
Chalk up another victory for those revolutionary rioters.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 06:50 PM
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8. I was reading the backgrounds of a number who have been arrested and charged,
everyone listed either had jobs or were in college, university or technical schools. It was a very small sampling but people might want to wait before assuming has this to do with oppression.
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-11 08:53 PM
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12. there is nothing complex about it,
These are just professional bags of shit on a rampage.
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