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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 02:50 PM
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Tea Party Rep: Bank Should Have Known I Wouldn't Be Able To Repay $2.2 Million Loan
Tea Party aligned Georgia Rep. Tom Graves (R), who castigates Washington for fiscal irresponsibility, reached an out of court settlement Wednesday after he was sued for defaulting on a $2.2 million loan — which his attorney argued is the bank’s fault for lending him the money in the first place.

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Graves and his business partner Chip Rogers — who is the state Senate’s Republican majority leader — took out a $2.2 million loan from the Bartow County Bank in 2007 to buy and renovate a local motel. The project soon went belly-up.

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The bank, which has since failed and had its assets taken over, sued Graves and Rogers for defaulting. The two Republicans then countersued, “accusing of improperly declaring the loan in default after reneging on a promise to refinance it at more favorable terms,” according to Jeremy Redmon and Aaron Gould Sheinin of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution .

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In June, Simon Bloom, the attorney for Graves and Rogers, argued in a court filing that the default was the bank’s fault because it lent the pair the money knowing full well they couldn’t pay. Bloom cited a deposition in which bank officials saw Graves and Rogers’ financial records, and then had them sign personal guarantees so they’d “‘have some skin in the game’ presumably meaning a sense of personal obligation for the debts … even though they clearly could not fulfill the obligation.” Graves and Rogers said they were unaware of that particular filing.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/08/tea_party_rep_bank_should_have_known_i_wouldnt_be_able_to_repay_22_million_loan.php

Three cheers for fiscal responsibility!!
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 02:52 PM
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1. And personal responsibility...
That seems to big on their side.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 02:52 PM
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2. Unreal!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 02:53 PM
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3. This falls in the category of you cannot write this stuff
and be believable!
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:37 PM
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8. yeah
these people would be the first to protest if that argument were used in a case defending a typical consumer in default.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 02:56 PM
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4. Glad he is in Washington directing the Budget spending
:sarcasm:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:00 PM
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5. This ranks about a 9 out of 10 on my hypocrisy BS-o-meter.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:09 PM
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6. Ah, I see, so all those people who got sub-prime mortgages..
and then lost their jobs, it was THEIR fault. But he gets a loan that he should never have had, it's tha BANK'S fault? Wasn't that what repugs were saying during the Savings and Loan scandal?
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katanalori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:18 PM
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7. his attorney argued is the bank’s fault for lending him the money in the first place.
Typical sociopath response. Once you learn how, they are easy to spot.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:24 PM
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11. Sorry. I've seen mortgage company records that show just
this kind of fraud. This is the fraud that caused the consumer end of the sub-prime crisis.

It is a disgrace. I have no particular affection for the Tea-Bagger, but his story rings true.

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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 03:38 PM
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9. They just want to run the country like a business:
their business. ;-)
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:20 PM
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10. I have seen paperwork and heard stories of these kinds of promises
made to borrowers to get them to agree to absurd subprime loans.

This story is very possibly true. I've heard it too often to doubt it.

Look, friends, that guy who is setting up your mortgage or selling you a house -- is not your friend. No matter if you've been joined at the hip since childhood, you are still adversaries in this business dealing. It is what is called an arms-length negotiation for a contract.

And if you don't have a promise on paper (even from your grandmother), you will have a tough time, an expensive time, enforcing it in a court, and you often cannot enforce it at all.

Plain and simple: Not all promises are enforceable. Read up on this for yourself. I can't advise you on the internet. This is basic stuff. Stuff I did not know when I was young and needed to know it.

Don't just call a service rep or your local bank and talk about financial issues and leave it at that.

Call them and then write a follow-up letter confirming your call and what their responses was. And then save that piece of paper in a file.

If someone says something like "You can refinance that later." Write a letter and confirm what you said and what they said -- and mail the letter.

And then keep that letter forever if necessary.

Don't let fast-talkers fool you as they have fooled so many people.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:37 PM
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13. You are comparing a US Representative and State Senate Majority Leader
to borrowers duped into subprime loans?

Seriously?

You don't think that they had a TEAM of attorneys pouring over a $2.2 million dollar deal?

It said they had to personally sign the note to "put skin in the game" (be personally responsible) and these 2 elected officials were duped into not reading (or not understanding) the terms of the agreement?

Sorry, not buying that logic.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:26 PM
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12. Spectacular stupidity, really.
I mean really jaw-dropping. How the hell do they figure out how to get out of bed in the morning?
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Frank1 Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:11 PM
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14. Who
So whos fault is it? Everyone that made bad loans and took advantage of lax lending standards because of government guarantees or the banks that also took advantage of the situation or the government for pushing the banks to make more(too many) risky loans and then allowing them to sell them off without an accurate credit rating?
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