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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:21 PM
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The tragic flaw of the national democratic party is that the candidate runs to make......
the country better while the GOP candidates run to make their friends and supporters better off and damn the country.

That is why you see a democratic president trying hard to appeal to all the people in the country, appearing to be more of a candidate of the people, by the people and for the people.

This is why the GOP gets away with being openly partisan while the democrats seek to build consensus across party lines.

This makes the GOP appear to be stronger and blatantly partisan while the democrats seem to be ignoring their base.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:23 PM
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1. How can they make the country better...
if they're ignoring their base?

Or am I missing something here?

:shrug:
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:25 PM
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3. Because democrats look beyond what is best for the party and
takes into consideration the needs of all the people in the country and not just those of the base...

that's why it appears that democrats are ignoring their base.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:46 PM
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9. So, when candidate Obama said
he would represent ALL of the people if elected President, he meant it?

Even then he knew that you gotta give if you want to get, else you get nothing.
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:43 PM
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8. They aren't ignoring "the base"
they just understand that "the base" are not the only ones with beliefs and ideas.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:55 PM
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10. That's basically what I said...
And yes the democrats here, which is mostly made up of people in the democratic party bae, and elsewhere feel as if he is ignoring them and if you can't see that then I really don't know what to tell you...
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:25 PM
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2. To make the country better, they have to openly oppose those who are trying to make it worse
Trying to appeal to the people who are trying to make things worse is a show-stopper.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:27 PM
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5. That's what I would think...
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 04:33 PM by WCGreen
But national democrats seem to have embraced that third way bullshit which is basically a call to govern without considering politics.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:26 PM
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4. Unrec for making the Democratic Party sound
altruistic in it's abandonment of principle.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:29 PM
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6. Look at all the complaints about president Obama here on DU and tell me
That the number one complaint isn't he is ignoring the base...

It was the same with president Clinton and the rise of the DLC and triangulation.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:27 PM
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11. I think the #1 complaint of the base is
that Obama regards hard fought Democratic principle as an afterthought or bargaining chip for his political agenda.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 04:38 PM
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7. I just got this quote from another post here on DU...
“Like President Obama, Kerry is fatally attracted to the notion of a grand bargain, sacrificing cuts in Medicare and Social Security in exchange for increased revenues to reduce long term deficits. And he is simply wrong-headed about what the nation must do in order to get the economy on track,” said Robert Borosage, co-director of Campaign for America’s Future, a progressive advocacy group.

Read the full article at:

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/176403-supercommittee-...


The DU post is here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1720772
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:36 PM
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12. Thanks for the reply and links.
To me it strongly reinforces what I've felt/known all along. Where I take issue with your OP is the idea that the Democratic Party leadership is motivated by acting in the best interests of all the people. How is offering up the New Deal in this Grand Bargain going to help "the people"?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 09:24 PM
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14. the New Deal was about all the people...
The theory was that a rising tide lifts all boats. The tide was made to rise by the infusion of government spending into an economy that had no other source of income...
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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:55 PM
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13. It takes way more than 3 yrs
Even more than 2 terms. President Obama is in a position of trying to maintain less than perfect conditions in order to keep enough to build back up. He has a responsibility to get reelected.
To do that he has to have people he doesn't agree with and we certainly don't agree with on his side. With a willing congress, maybe he'll be able to disappoint them during his next term.
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