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BackToThe60s Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:08 PM
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Sesame Street Says Bert and Ernie Aren’t Gay
Source: Slate

Despite what you and everyone else might think, Sesame Street’s Bert and Ernie aren’t gay, the people behind the show said Thursday in response to an online push for the two puppets to marry.

“Bert and Ernie are best friends,” the Sesame Workshop, the non-profit group responsible for the show, said in a Facebook message. “They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves.

“Even though they are identified as male characters and possess many human traits and characteristics (as most Sesame Street Muppets™ do), they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation.”

The statement comes after Change.org posted a petition online last week asking the show to out Bert and Ernie and to have the iconic puppets wed in a move the group says would teach kids tolerance toward gays and lesbians. As of Thursday afternoon, shortly after the Sesame Workshop issued its statement, the petition had nearly 5,500 signatures.


Read more: http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/08/11/pbs_says_bert_and_ernie_aren_t_gay_in_response_to_change_org_pet.html



Okay. I completely support gay marriage, but this is getting ridiculous. And yes, this was in the news portion of the site, The Slatest.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:09 PM
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1. Unrec, Nothing Personal
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BackToThe60s Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:21 PM
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25. Kosher
No offense taken. :-)
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:11 PM
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2. Oh yes they are. I don't care what they say.
But I am not sure that they should get married. Hell, I don't think heteros are smart to get married!

Keep gay marriage and other political hot potatoes out of toddler's programming.
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idiotgardener Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:55 PM
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18. I disagree.
Kids learn intolerance, they aren't born that way. Not saying they should have a special Sesame Street episode about gay marriage, but showing gay characters in relationships would be awesome.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:06 PM
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21. +1
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:49 AM
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35. Please explain HOW that could be.
Considering that Ernie and Bert are young children (who are well under the age of 10) could possibly even KNOW what their sexual orientation is? Ernie and Bert are two kids who, despite being very different, are the best of friends. This gay rumor B.S. was started by some asshole who had nothing better to do with his/her time and people--in their infinite gullibility--swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:12 PM
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3. I think the response to people asking them to marry is a response
O the hysterical, hair pulling allegations that ANY of the characters - Tinky Winky, Bert & Ernie - are gay by the ridiculous right.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:12 PM
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4. IMO it diminishes gay marriage in general. I wonder what their agenda is..n/t
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:13 PM
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5. It's really not a issue for me if they are Gay or not.
What is a issue for me is if they teach married couples to only look like this.

Sesame Street on Marriage Whats in the thought bubbles?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igdWO-IfICk
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:35 PM
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6. Privacy for Muppets!
Burt and Ernie are not public property and are entitled to the same regard any other adult is due.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:43 PM
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7. Idiots who care, have no memory of films from the 30s and 40s.
Roommates. They are characters from Jim Henson's youth.

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:47 PM
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9. I'm sure Laverne and Shirly were lesbians.
Just ask the exact same people that think Bert and Ernie are gay.
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:42 PM
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14. Yelp, that is why they were so boy crazy. All a cover-up.
Doesn't matter to me I love Bert and Ernie and Laverne and Shirley. Wonder what that makes me?
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:17 PM
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23. No they weren't. Lenny and Sqiggy, however... ;)
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:57 PM
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26. Yes, that seems much more likely, but being of that era
they didn't have a clue.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:27 PM
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40. That comment should be stricken from the record!!
I can't believe you said that!!!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 11:12 PM
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28. actually they are from "It's a wonderful life"
Ernie Bishop "the fellow who sits all day on his brains in his taxi" and Bert the cop.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJfZaT8ncYk
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 06:45 PM
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8. They're kids puppets
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 06:46 PM by krispos42
Their backstory does NOT include a sexual history! There are lots of things that don't have a backstory! First loves, arrests, political activities, genetic diseases! IT'S NOT INCLUDED!


Those kind of things are for entertainment for adults, not educational for kids!



Jeez, do people think that Jim Henson was storyboarding what a freak Ernie is in bed? How Bert had a friend who was killed on the USS Stark? How Cookie Monster is diabetic? How Grover was sexually molested by his uncle?

:banghead:


They're puppets!
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:27 PM
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11. There are other puppets on the show depicted with hetero relationships and families.
Nobody worries about what sort of sex Baby Bear's parents must have had to make him or his little sister. Why can't Bert and Ernie be a couple without people worrying about puppet buttsex?

Bert and Ernie have been "roommates" since 1969. That's more than a little bit gay.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:39 PM
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13. Well, I don't think muppets age...
...much like Snoopy. :-)


But yeah, nobody has a problem with thinking about puppet penis going into puppet vagina.



Except maybe the puppeteers. I bet they draw lots to figure out who does those scenes...
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:45 PM
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15. I always wondered about Peppermint Patty
:)
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NinetySix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:09 PM
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10. They're two children who live together unsupervised. Obviously.
I've always perceived them as kids, even sine I was a kid.
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:48 PM
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16. I had assumed they were brothers ...
... because they were obviously children and they shared a room.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:48 PM
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17. Me too.
:shrug:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:36 AM
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32. I always thought that Bert was Ernie's legal guardian.
After all, he's uptight and grumpy while Ernie has the mind of a 4 year old.
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BackToThe60s Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:20 PM
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24. Right
I never thought they were adults. The show, after all, is for kids. The only adults were the humans.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:51 AM
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36. Big Bird Also Lived Alone Despite Being Six Years Old....
...hey, it was Sesame Street, you can't take it so seriously.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:28 PM
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12. Stupid non-issue nt
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:58 PM
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19. Faintly amusing. Some people have too much time on
their hands. Wonder why they don't go after bigots and oppressors (AKA repukes), instead of muppets.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 07:59 PM
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20. Lol!
Well said!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:39 PM
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42. In 1988 Pat Robertson ran for President as a Republican, and he complained about sex on tv.
Dan Qualye was the Vice President when he complained about liberals because they watched Candice Bergen on "Murphy Brown".
He said her tv character had made comments that he didn't agree with because they sounded like liberal propaganda.
Just another act, so the Republicans could bash "Hollywood liberals".

Ben Qualye is his son, who is now a member of Congress from Arizona.

The Republicans will go after ANY issue from ANY angle, and we've seen them do it countless times.

Is it serious?
No.
Do we care?
No.
Do they care?

YES!!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 08:11 PM
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22. why should anyone care what their sexuality was?
Edited on Thu Aug-11-11 08:11 PM by fascisthunter
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 02:28 AM
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44. exactly.
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AngkorWot Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-11 11:04 PM
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27. What a bunch of dicks.
"the remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation"

And I guess Miss Piggy and Kermit the Frog don't have an orientation?

Oh well. I'm not surprised. Sesame Street has been shit for years.

At least there's still Rainbow Dash.

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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 01:45 AM
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29. The HORRORS! A wedding?! Suggested sexual orientation?! OMFG!
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dbackjon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:40 AM
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33. Yup - that evil straight agenda at work there
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:25 PM
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38. Orientations are only sexual if they are gay. Straight orientations have nothing to do with sex.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 02:26 AM
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43. That seems to the the lesson today. This message brought to you today by the letter "B".
"Bigotry."
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 05:02 PM
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47. It's a backwards B.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:12 AM
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30. Bert is just evil
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 05:12 AM by melm00se
so says the web.

just look at his mug shot:



evidence that he is with the Taliban:

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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:29 AM
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31. I just don't see them marrying
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 05:29 AM by pokerfan
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:30 PM
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41. You don't have to be married to fool around!
What's green and smells like ham?

Kermit the Frog's middle finger!!
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:46 AM
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34. They have never been "gay"....
...how could two puppets who are supposed to represent 6 or 7-year-olds be gay? No child knows their sexual orientation at such a young age. I'm certain some asshole with a teen-age mentality started that assinine rumor and, with the help of the internet, it spread like wildfire to the point that Sesame Street deliberately created Ernie and Bert to "show" kids that alternative lifestyles are acceptable(???).

Ernie and Bert are two children who, despite all of their differences, get along with each other and deeply care about the other's well-being (i.e.--they're BEST FRIENDS). Glad to hear that Sesame Street has finally spoken out about this....it was LONG overdue.


Enjoy the best Ernie and Bert dialogue EVER from 1969.....this is a classic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRsms1zLnNs
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:52 AM
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37. They each have their own bed
Or is that to throw the landlord, Mr Roper, off?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:27 PM
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39. They are puppets and do not exist below the waist.
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 05:27 AM
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45. Bert and Ernie.
Of all the things to get DU stirred up, I have to admit I never saw this one coming. I think sometimes I overlook the obvious though, especially when gripped in the thralls of REALLY GOOD DRUGS from a full-mouth extraction.

That said...I don't think there's anything wrong with a pair of gay or lesbian muppets. As many others have posted, several other muppets either have relationships or have 'implied' relationships (ie, being a baby).

But...leave Bert and Ernie out it. Oh, I won't be upset if they were to say they were, other than my own little isolated viewpoint on Bert and Ernie -- a viewpoint that is often overlooked these days. Is either Bert or Ernie really sociable? Think they would be good at 'the game', whether with men OR women? Me neither. Yeah, they've been roomies for years upon years, so that HAS to mean they're gay!

Except...that it doesn't. My best friend and I have been roommates for so long that my family always invites him along to family events, including Christmas...yet they also know that neither of us are gay. It would almost be easier if we were, because we're both horrible at meeting new people. We lead a pretty damn isolated life. Even here in red country, I wouldn't be ashamed to admit I were gay -- if I was. But I'm not. Neither is he.

So make Bert and Ernie gay if you must, or (preferably) use a new pair of muppets for a gay or lesbian couple...but if you DO have to use Bert and Ernie...don't rely on the 'roommate' trope please. There are few enough examples of good, long-time roommates as it is.

Amusing anecdote -- When moving from one city to another once, my friend and I applied at this apartment and the landlady asked if we were gay. When we told her no (remember, Indiana), she denied us the house. Why? "Because two gay guys can keep a house clean, but two regular guys, I'm not sure enough to rent to." I thought it was funny. :)
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 08:01 AM
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46. I think the push is silly
But the furor over it is ridiculous. OMG Bert and Ernie can't be gay!!! It's part of the Homosexual Agenda!!! Puppets don't have sexuality!!! They're not interested in love or marriage!1!1

Then what the fark was all that crap with Miss Piggy chasing Kermit the Frog for all those years? Was that part of the Heterosexual Agenda? Were they teaching innocent toddlers about SEX? Were parents screaming about interspecies puppet mating? Why is it only when the prospect of gay/lesbian relations comes up that it becomes a "sexual" matter, and an "agenda"?
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