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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:14 AM
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Fox News Panics, takes down results POLL AND MAP from the debate.
Yep, less than hours after the massive results were flooding in they were yanked down. My guess is that corporate interest that control News Intl/News Corp realized real quick that the Country is no longer interested in the policies of the GOP. It is also the reason why they are scrambling to control the debate all in an effort to secure the nomination for someone who will do the bidding of Wall ST in the same way the G.W. did.

Before they yanked down the poll this is what I remember seeing.

Ron Paul with 7300+ votes *Ron Paul DESTROYED everyone in votes*
Newt G with 4200

Everyone else lacked behind

Romney 3k
Cain ?
Bachman ?
Pawlenty ?
Santorum ?

Paul had won the vast majorities of all the states, that said this is what I remember seeing than Ron Paul carrying the remainder of the states. Newt G carried Mississippi, Georgia, Alaska and I think Florida

Romney carried Utah and Idaho

Everyone else is not note worthy.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:15 AM
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1. Ron Paul as the nominee
now that would be scary at several levels. But I get it why Fox News would panic.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:19 AM
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3. well, it would certainly make the debates interesting as far as foreign policy is concerned.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:22 AM
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6. That it would but Paul is 10% sane, 90% bat shit crazy
and it worries me that the 10%... I mean Bachmman is crazy but Dr. Paul is a tad more sophisticated in that sense.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:13 PM
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45. Too many Dems and independents are attracted to Ron Paul because
they hear only that 10% and are totally unaware of the other 90%.

Republicans are not the only low-information voters who can be easily misled by a candidate or by the poor quality of media coverage of that candidate.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:11 PM
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49. I can only dream that Paul would get the nomination.
I would love for the entire country to see (after he has won the nomination) the rest of his ideas. It would be hysterical.
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:18 AM
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2. I hope there are lots of screen shots to be posted on the tubes...folks.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:21 AM
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4. I was thinking the same thing.
I will say this, when I saw what OFA posted immediately after the debate, I was thrilled. They waisted no time catching the flip floppers and back trackers. Surely the GOP also noticed and are probably scratching their head right about now.
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court jester Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:06 AM
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19. pass it on
sooner or later someone in the "news" business will realize it's a story

]

*not an endorsement of paul, it's a tool to show the shameless fox hypocrisy.

This is as orwellian as it gets. It is wrong and exposes them for exactly what they are.

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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:18 AM
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20. Rock on! Nice Catch.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 06:54 PM
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47. Thanks for that!
:hi: So Bachmann is GONE! LOL
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:57 PM
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51. Nice pic!
out of the lot of them - i can see why people would prefer ron paul - and i'm not surprised super-corporate fox"news" tries to cover it up.
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:23 PM
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52. My slightly later, national screengrab


muhahah
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-11 09:25 PM
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53. Behold.........There you go!
I got to give you major credit, for that. I am glad that one of us grabbed that before Fox took it down. AAA+++
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:21 AM
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5. Every now and then the carefully controlled facade cracks, and you can see what's going on.
Ron Paul is ANTI-WAR. The Democratic base is ANTI-WAR. The Majority of the Republican base is ANTI-BAILOUT for big failed companies, just like Dem base. Yet the only two things the leaders from both parties agree on is Bailouts and War.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:37 AM
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30. Interesting observation, and very true.
(Btw, love your screen name.)
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:36 AM
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35. Excellent analysis. n/t
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 06:58 PM
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48. I love your quote "Two state senators down, one Governor to go"
I might have to post that on facebook in honor of defending our other two Democratic seats.
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BackToThe60s Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:56 AM
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39. Truth
Wish I could rec replies.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 09:19 AM
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42. Astute points. n/t
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:39 AM
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7. Courage to stand? Remember this?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 12:55 AM
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8. On some show on Fox, Cavuto?? someone was worrying out
loud about Paul.

Paul made arrangements to spend full time campaigning
this time. He is serious about making a real run.

In the past, he would"run" but I got the distinct
impression he was using the campaign to get his message
out on Hardcore Libertarianism.

This time he appears to be serious

I had to chuckle--in the debate I am sure he had the
Hawks and Neocons needing treatment for seeious heartburn
as he waxed as only Paul can wax about the wars and
how we meddle in other countries business- then wonder
why get get upset with us.

He would not back dwon from the Moderators. He had
the gall to just keep talking and tell the media
not to interfer with him.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:23 AM
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27. well, he is right about that. we go in and stick our noses everywhere and
then wonder why people get mad at us. wtf! remember that 'chickens coming home to roost' thing the preacher said that everyone got so mad about. Made perfect sense to me. You rattle a hornet's nest long enough the hornets are going to start stinging you. I ask people how they would feel if some other country came in to liberate us? i am sure they would be appreciative and welcome them with flowers. of course that would be different. we are the US... and that is the problem. we seem to have this superior mindset.... we are better than everyone else.

Paul may be nuts, but he has his moments of lucidity before he goes off the rails into crazytown.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 01:23 AM
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9. The sad thing is, I am sure Ron Paul is probably a good person.
But the GOP will do what they always do. Destroy what ever get's in their way to get what they want. I will just have to wait and see what salacious garbage they dig up, or use Fox News to create and fling on to Congressman Paul.

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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:39 AM
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32. "Destroy whate ever (sic" get's (sic) in their way to get
what they want." You do realize the Democratic party does EXACTLY the same thing, right?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:49 AM
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38. he's a racist piece of shit. just because he's an isolationist doesn't mean he's a good person.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:59 AM
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40. That is the right answer. Dioysus wins the thread.
Correct answer 'Racist piece of shit'.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 08:24 AM
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41. he's not just racist, he's an equal opportunity bigot if i recall correctly.
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cayanne Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 01:29 AM
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10. Utah and Idaho are both Mormon states
That is why he carried them.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 01:31 AM
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11. But I tell you what really interested me.
He did not carry Nevada. Paul beat out Romney in Nevada, Nevada has a massive mormon population.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 02:12 AM
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15. Nevada's always had a mile-wide libertarian streak.
Small l.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:07 AM
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24. Idaho is now a Mormon state????
Damn, it used to be such a lovely place.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:17 AM
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25. lol, The Potatoes are still good I suspect.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:56 AM
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34. Idaho has always been a suburb of Salt Lake City
And it's always been a right-wing stronghold. Looking back, it is amazing that they elected Cecil Andrus (who unashamedly referred to the NRA as a bunch of "gun nuts" and was Jimmy Carter's Sec. of the Interior) to four terms as Governor.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 01:52 AM
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12. It's Bachmann -- the exciting new possibility! Wait! It's Perry -- the exciting new possibility! No,
wait! It's Paul -- the exciting new possibility!

I guess Paul might beat Obama in Texas. But elsewhere would require a miracle!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 02:03 AM
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 02:08 AM
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14. He's a libertarian wacko, wrong on almost every issue.
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 02:40 AM
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17. Actualy, he's right on a lot of issues
But for the wrong reasons. Libertarian dogma is most particular that way.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:29 AM
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29. If it weren't for their economic/business policies..
.. I'd be a libertarian. But that more than queers the deal.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 08:52 PM
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50. He is right on legalizing pot and on the wars. nt
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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 02:27 AM
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16. Ron Paul libertarian groupies are famous for skewing polls
That's what they do.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:37 AM
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31. You are probably right..
.... these folks, by and large, are as stupid as they are devoted. Pretty close to a "heaven's gate" sort of crowd.
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AverageJoe90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:50 AM
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33. Agreed, I've seen similar s*** from them.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 02:54 AM
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18. Ron Paul has a devoted cult like following - but he is not going to win any primaries
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:38 AM
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21. Rupert Murdoch's News International will certain to that, he owns the Republican Party.
When will republican voters finally see thru this? God bless 'em, I may have nothing politically in common with most Republicans, nut I hate that they are being manipulated. It makes me ill.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 06:47 PM
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46. I wonder if the GOP will ever realize this?
Though I highly doubt it.
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blkmusclmachine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:39 AM
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22. How long 'til Faux Nooz does this:
Ron Paul (D)

By "accident," of course..
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:54 AM
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23. Hahaha, Not long
It's funny, but you are right. They will pack loads of "debate panels" pass memos out to the entire News Corp Network and tarnish Ron Paul. They are brilliant with getting their entire group on board with the same message.

After a few months people will naturally begin to second guess Ron Paul and they will rally people around the individual they would like to be king.
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:44 AM
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26. Jon Huntsman, I have been going over this over and over in my head
Something about his performance in the debate that is kind of haunting me. I think this guy might have a real chance at winning the nomination. Hear me out. Jon stayed pretty low key during the debate, nothing earth shattering. However he established himself as an intelligent, reasonable guy. His equality piece will play well with independents and the EPA piece is a huge signal to conservatives and special interest. That's going to play well in New Hampshire. The guy is a billionaire, he has plenty of money to carry him thru until then, where he will probably win. If he wins New Hampshire, its game on.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:41 AM
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36. Hate to say this but I think I agree with you..
I remember reading something Huntsman said a few months ago and it got me thinking the same way.

No one else seems to think he's much of a threat so I let my initial impression slide.

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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:28 AM
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28. Nobody has carried water for Wall Street..
... better than Obama. So tell me again why I give a shit?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:45 AM
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37. + Trillions
Then there're the profitable wars...
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:13 AM
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43. i wonder if the tea party will go back to paul. eom
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Firebrand Gary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 02:01 PM
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44. K&R
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