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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:49 PM
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APNewsBreak: Some unions to skip 2012 convention
WASHINGTON (AP) -- About a dozen trade unions plan to sit out the 2012 Democratic convention because they're angry that it's being held in a right-to-work state and frustrated that Democrats haven't done enough to create jobs.

The move could pose a larger problem for President Barack Obama next year if an increasingly dispirited base of labor activists becomes so discouraged that it doesn't get the rank-and-file to the polls in the usual strong numbers.

The unions - all part of the AFL-CIO's building and construction trades unit - told party officials this week they are gravely disappointed that labor was not consulted before Democrats settled on Charlotte, N.C., where there are no unionized hotels.

"We find it troubling that the party so closely associated with basic human rights would choose a state with the lowest unionization rate in the country due to regressive policies aimed at diluting the power of workers," Mark Ayers, president of the building trades unit, wrote in a letter to Democratic Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEMOCRATIC_CONVENTION_UNIONS
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:53 PM
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1. Welcome to the New Democrats.....
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 03:58 PM
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2. Bullshit. Welcome to the Teabagger House who's blocking all of Pres. Obama's legislative initiatives
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 03:59 PM by ClarkUSA
Pres. Obama is not a New Democrat, in any case.

Furthermore, I don't recall unions having a problem endorsing New Democrat/DLC/Third Way Hillary when she ran for POTUS.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:04 PM
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3. The teabaggers chose Charlotte, N.C?
Our support isn't unconditional. Jobs are on the radar now, with the elections closing in. 2 1/2 years of nothing.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:43 PM
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22. I never said that. NC went Democratic for the first time in a long time in 2008.
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 05:46 PM by ClarkUSA
Holding the convention in NC is a successful extension of the 50-state strategy. If unions want to skip the event, fine. But I see nothing wrong with the DNC will do what it takes to expand the playing field in 2012.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:46 PM
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23. They don't care about that. "Fuck the South" seems to be the meme they're pushing.
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 05:47 PM by Major Hogwash
Wrong approach to getting our man re-elected.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:06 PM
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26. I agree. The unions are not looking at the big picture.
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yarn_chick Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:20 PM
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28. The big picture looks rather clear.
Democrats will slap unions in the face in order to cater to those who hate workers.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:14 PM
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31. The big picture is the realization of the 50-state strategy.
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 10:14 PM by ClarkUSA
The only thing unions are doing here is screwing their own members out of work.

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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:42 PM
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7. President Obama begs to differ:
Obama calls himself a New Democrat and shows what it means.
By Bruce Reed
Posted Wednesday, March 11, 2009, at 3:06 PM ET
For conservatives still trying to fit Barack Obama into their old tax-and-spend-liberal box, Tuesday was a very bad day. In the morning, the president gave a tough-minded education reform speech demanding more accountability from schools, teachers, students, and parents. The same afternoon, he brought members of the House New Democrat Coalition to the White House and told them, "I am a New Democrat." According to Politico, Obama went on to describe himself as a fiscally responsible, pro-growth Democrat who supports free and fair trade and opposes protectionism.

http://www.slate.com/id/2213474/

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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:46 PM
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9. "According to Politico . . ." Dude, Politico said this week that Obama was going to attack Romney
the way Bush attacked Kerry in 2004.

They have no street cred.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:52 PM
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14. That would be dudette, not dude.
Edited on Fri Aug-12-11 04:53 PM by dgibby
I know Politico has no street cred with most of DU; that's why I found an article written by Bruce Reed, darling of, and mover and shaker in, the Dem. Party. He's a Washington insider, and he definitley has street cred.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:11 PM
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19. "He's a Washington insider . . ."
You made my point for me.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:06 PM
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4. No Worrys....Obama Will Charm Them Back....


..to coming.
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:07 PM
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5. Good for them.
Maybe we should all sit it out.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:07 PM
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6. If you thought it was hard to herd cats or Democrats, getting those unions to agree is like . . .
trying to crochet during a tornado.
Oh, sure, you might get one or two lines done, but then the wind will come up and undo everything you put together.

Some of the smaller unions broke away from the main union they were with over giving any concessions to business 4 or 5 years ago.
Without making concessions to the people who managed those companies, they were lucky to be able to keep their jobs at all.

The unions don't decide where the Democratic party holds our conventions.
They aren't the mafia, they don't get to sit in on every fucking meeting we hold.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:50 PM
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13. Nasty anti-union shit. No need to hide your true colors, huh, third way Dem?
THEY don't get to tell DEMS what to do? Because UNIONS act like the mafia? (how original). More like the unions shouldn't let the Dems boss them around. Why should union leaders give Democrats OUR DUES MONEY and hollow out OUR STRIKE FUNDS to support politicians that abandon their rank and file.

I support unions above the Democratic Party, and let me tell you, if the unions leave it: I leave it.

STOP EXTORTING OUR UNION DUES.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:09 PM
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18. Ha ha ha ha!!!!
Go to the Republican convention and see what you get!!!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:25 PM
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29. That's been the attitude for decades.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:04 PM
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25. Get it done without us
No votes, no money, no boots on the ground or phone banks. We use to be partners.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 11:49 PM
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33. Not everyone in your union is a Democrat. Unions are not set up as political units.
What you just said sounds like blackmail to me.
More of the "my way or the highway" shit that Boehner espouses.
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pintobean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 06:51 AM
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34. Blackmail?
:rofl:
Stopping voluntary support because there's no value in it is not blackmail. Being told that we have no where else to go gets old. We can chose to support no one.
You obviously have no idea how valuable we are to the party.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:44 PM
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8. Isn't a right to work state the best place to argue for unions?

Anywhere else would be preaching to the choir.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:48 PM
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11. The convention is not an organizing opportunity. Organizing takes years of ground work.
Hotels are trying to break unions all over the country. I believe that it is important for the Democratic Party to support venues that still employ union workers.


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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:46 PM
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10. Good. I support this 100 percent.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:50 PM
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12. Debbie Wasserman Schultz drives an Infiniti; she don't care about Labor. nt
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:57 PM
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15. Good.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 04:59 PM
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16. We need the unions to put a labor candidate out there.
Force a Third Party.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:06 PM
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17. That is a briliant plan.
NC turned blue for the first time in 2008.

Its a key swing state.

So let's tell NC to fuck off in 2012.

Talk about cutting off your own nose to spite your face.

This is the reason Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:11 PM
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20. Good...finally someone is sending Obama a lesson that he can't just assume
people will support him.
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dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:18 PM
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21. It makes perfect sense:
much of the Dem Party has deserted the unions, so the unions would naturally desert the Party. Hey, after all, there DO have to be consequences.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 05:50 PM
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24. GOP will have theirs in Tampa. Rick Scott's home turf.




Is there a bigger weasel than Rick Scott. No, says I.
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yarn_chick Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:20 PM
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27.  What does the GOP have to do with it? The unions aren't expecting the Republicans to behave
like decent people.

Democrats having a convention in a Right to work for less state is a slap in the face to unions a not insubstantial part of the base.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 07:26 PM
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30. GOOD for them, I don't blame them one bit. nt
:thumbsup:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-11 10:17 PM
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32. Good for them.
Stand strong.

K and R

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-13-11 07:00 AM
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35. While I agree in some respects, the legislature here went Republican for the 1st
time since reconstruction. Unions could both attend and picket outside to change the debate. This picture is one I took of people supporting Wisconsin workers in Raleigh against the tea party. There was plenty of public sentiment for unions in it.

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