Do Not let Rick Perry get up a head of steam!

The PTB will pull out all stops to put him in office. He is photogenic, folksy when necessary, and shrewd.

I know his record is the pits. However, since when has anybody really looked at someone's real record and beyond the hype. He has to be tagged now with negatives that will stick to him. Perry is big, brash, and will make the other candidates look like the 7 dwarves.

In a debate with President Obama, he would be formidable in some ways. Obama certainly would run rings around him about policy and other technical matters. However, what people want is someone who will show some passion. Look for him to palinize the debate and avoid answering the questions. He will then use a bully pulpit.

Perry will make up positives about his record if he has to. That's the modus operandi now for the right. Can he be countered with the real story and stopped short before his message overshadows his record?

He is a tea party favorite, but look for him to avoid discouraging them while appealing more to the middle. He will dogwhistle to the tea party and evangelical RW nuts. They will hear him and support him even if he appears to be off message a bit.

If you look at the 2008 election, there will be some key states that will have to be flipped back to the Republicans. NC and VA are two among others. Flip enough by hook or crook and there goes the electoral college.

I don't think his nomination is a sure thing, but he already has the money.

I'm not sure if he will be what the American people will vote for as a whole. However if enough people from the left to the independents are disgusted with all options, they may just not vote. Their attitude may be 'Why bother when it's fixed anyway?' or some variant of that.

I don't know how or where it may come from, but somebody better get a passionate, coherent message out now and push it for all its worth. I keep hoping Obama will do that, but I don't know what will light his fire. He doesn't have to scream and act like a mad man, but he better show some real emotion that will connect with people. I promise you if he says he is 'pivoting towards jobs' one more time, people will stop listening. He's pivoted so much that he has gone in circles.

He needs a direct, short, and understandable message that doesn't get bogged down in policy. The GOP would love for him to get stuck in a swamp of numbers. This is the type of political campaigning that he does not relish. Town halls are fine, but he has to grow and become bigger than life. Obama has to develop a very real presence of leadership that people can feel like they are touching. IMHO he doesn't have that aura now.

Laugh at me and discount what I am saying at your peril. The political landscape has undergone seismic shifts since 2008. It has been as unpredictable and volatile as the weather we have had. I wouldn't want to bet the house on Obama winning unless he puts up a dogfight. Even then, we might find ourselves in Oz being governed by the man behind the curtain.





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spotlighted and their previous sermons to their congregations (they're on video tape) were highlighted all of American Catholics would be alienated and moderate independents would be aghast (Catholics are currently 25% of the electorate.) They are on video tape saying that Catholics are not "Christian" and much worse too. Also, if true pictures of the event were aired to the public it would clearly show the lack of attendance at the event. The stadium is 75% empty. Rick Perry is a radical fringer of the scariest kind.

I agree and then there's this:

Money No Obstacle as Perry Joins G.O.P. Race
Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

Gov. Rick Perry’s campaign finance operation has shifted into high gear, and it helps that Texas is a treasure trove of Republican money with few restrictions on political giving.
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
Published: August 12, 2011

But it is a credential Mr. Perry is unlikely to highlight that could make him the most formidable entrant in the Republican race so far: he is among the top political fund-raisers in the country, with a vast network of wealthy supporters eager to bankroll his presidential ambitions, and he has the potential to energize Republican donors who have shown only limited enthusiasm for the candidates already in the race.

In three campaigns for governor, Mr. Perry has raised $102 million, including more than $39 million during his successful 2010 bid for re-election. The Republican Governors Association, of which Mr. Perry is chairman, raised a record $22.1 million during the first half of this year.

And in recent months, even as the candidate himself was being coy about his presidential ambitions, Mr. Perry’s campaign finance operation has shifted into high gear, holding meetings with dozens of the party’s top uncommitted donors around the country, some of whom have already pledged to raise money for him.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/13/us/politics/13donate.html?_r=3&hp

can be heard and stuck to him before the campaign rush begins. Don't count on the MSM to highlight it.

Too many things like this that one would expect to turn off voters never reach a lot of people. We know about it but we keep up. How many average citizens in other states are following his shenanigans? He will try to brush off any criticism and turn the tables spinning it as people turning against religion.

The GOP and their cloven footed minions are masters at changing the message.





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Start talking about the first amendmend and the divisiveness of his "Day of Prayer" and the Repuplicans will instantly spin it as "See! Republicans hate the baby Jesus!"

a candidate who apparently kept up his grooming, apparently focusing on the hair ... called him (and I'm sure this wasn't just his idea, he probably got it from the main desk of the propaganda wing) "the Breck Girl" ...

btw, it was a Democrat at the time. But, of course, such insults cannot be allowed in today's "liberally-biased media" against a Republican ... that wouldn't be "politically correct" ... much like having any questions about George W. Bush's spending which bankrupted the country PRIOR to the 2008 crash ...

I heard this everywhere as soon as he announced: "The candidate who has never lost a race."

to run that into the ground. Perry won't have to repeat it one time when it enters the media echo chamber. Perry will act like a winner and try to turn it into an inevitable feeling of victory.

Sun Tzu said:
“If you are far from the enemy, make him believe you are near.”

Even if Perry has a brazillion things to overcome, projecting leadership and confidence in victory can carry him a lot further than people think.





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http://us.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/08/11/moore.perry.candidate/index.html?hpt=op_r1

Not that I agree even Perry would be foolish enough to pick Palin as a VP or that she would accept 2nd place, but worth a read anyway.

It will not happen. Palin will ultimately endorse Perry though, and campaign very hard for him.

I agree with much of this article, though I obviously don't necessary agree he will win the general election.

Perry will be the GOP nominee, and I am betting his will select Marco Rubio as his running mate. Perry/Rubio will be a strong GOP ticket. Both are the baggers which can put the best possible face on their insane movement. Rubio will be selected to make inroads into the Hispanic vote.

Do not underestimate Perry. He LOVES campaigning. He may be an economic idiot and an intellectual dimwit, but in times of crisis and unease people tend to gravitate to simplistic leaders who appear strong and have what they call a "common sense" answer to everything.

Anyone who thinks 2012 will be an easy re-elect for President Obama is kidding themselves. This IS going to be the most important election in our lifetimes. If we are in an environment in which someone like Perry can win, it will mean the Republicans will likely hold the House and re-take the Senate. The damage these people will do, not to mention ensuring the Supreme Court remains conservative for another generation, will be astronomical - they'll take us back decades in the first few months alone.

in 2008 so he is a possibility. Ugh.

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I don't agree that Perry will pick Palin, but I do believe he is a shoo-in for the GOP nomination. He will be hard to beat, but I do believe Obama can beat him.

Scary times, that a dangerous moron like Perry is even in the conversation at all.

Hagee all but came out and said Roman Catholics worshipped false idols? I would think that association with Hagee's bigotry can be hung around Perry's neck and endlessy hammered at in attack ads to force either a) Perry to denounce Hagee and, by extension, the Tea Party whackjobs (thereby putting Perry's ability to win the nomination into jeopardy) or b) Perry's negatives to hit the stratosphere (thereby putting Perry's ability to win the nomination into jeopardy). Either way, knocking Perry out of contention should be relatively easy for sharp operatives.

Edited to clear up typos and garbled syntax.

Unless the Dems frame the message and get way ahead of the curve, then they will never catch up. They have shown a real lack of ability to do so. Don't assume that people will see what you think they will or should.

With the economy and lack of jobs as the biggest worry, if Perry can lie or whatever and convince people he can handle that, then trying to dump him with Hagee won't be that easy. They are already cahooting to come up with a message to spin this away.

My point is the campaign to stick memes to Perry should have begun a month ago. He who spins first and best, spins last.

Overestimating the ability to command a lot of foot soldiers like 2008 could be fatal. In addition, Perry will be able to match Obama dollar for dollar.





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for the attack ad that yokes Hagee to Perry permanently.

Something like this:

Ad opens with footage of rabid Tea Party\Christian evangelical mob scenes for 10 seconds with no voice-over.

Deep-voiced announcer begins: "Rick Perry says he 'wants to bring America together.' But Rick Perry also recently appeared on stage with the Christian conservative leader John Hagee who said that Roman Catholics 'worship false idols.' (Straight cut to video footage of Hagee exhorting his flock-straight cut to Perry sitting on stage watching Hagee with rapt admiration.)

Voice-over continues: Perry has not denounced Hagee's hatred. In fact, Perry said, ("Insert relevant quote by Perry supporting the whackjobs.")

Voice-over continues: "America doesn't need John Hagee's hatred. America doesn't need Rick Perry." (Straight cut to video footage of worst moments of Tea Party and fade to black.)

If you read some books such as Why We Buy or better yet this one Campaigning for Hearts and Minds: How Emotional Appeals in Political Ads Work (Studies in Communication, Media, and Public Opinion) there are many ways to subtly influence people.

Synopsis of the second book:
It is common knowledge that televised political ads are meant to appeal to voters' emotions, yet little is known about how or if these tactics actually work. Ted Brader's innovative book is the first scientific study to examine the effects that these emotional appeals in political advertising have on voter decision-making.

At the heart of this book are ingenious experiments, conducted by Brader during an election, with truly eye-opening results that upset conventional wisdom. They show, for example, that simply changing the music or imagery of ads while retaining the same text provokes completely different responses. He reveals that politically informed citizens are more easily manipulated by emotional appeals than less-involved citizens and that positive "enthusiasm ads" are in fact more polarizing than negative "fear ads." Black-and-white video images are ten times more likely to signal an appeal to fear or anger than one of enthusiasm or pride, and the emotional appeal triumphs over the logical appeal in nearly three-quarters of all political ads.

Brader backs up these surprising findings with an unprecedented survey of emotional appeals in contemporary political campaigns. Politicians do set out to campaign for the hearts and minds of voters, and, for better or for worse, it is primarily through hearts that minds are won. Campaigning for Hearts and Minds will be indispensable for anyone wishing to understand how American politics is influenced by advertising today.
http://www.amazon.com/Campaigning-Hearts-Minds-Emotional-Communication/dp/0226069893/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=ICP3RAAF9OREB&colid=3LH72EZ45C2I9

This book is from 2006, and the techniques are probably even more refined. Even if all of it isn't true, enough of it is to be scary. People make up their minds about things early and a lot of times stay with that first choice even if they think they are still deciding.

Unfortunately, image can trump a lot of things. If Hagee can make a big enough wave, then I hope it works. I still think the economy and who can act like they can create the most jobs will have the winning message. All else will be static.




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on Perry starting . . . NOW. Romney needs to drive Perry's negatives high and\or render Perry unacceptable to the fundy base. There would be plenty of time for the Dems to run such a campaign, if Romney's own operatives cannot or will not.

It may not be talked about, but they are viewed with just as much suspicion as Catholics. Perry will dogwhistle him to death.
I just don't think there is plenty of time. I believe that the Others have a plan in place for Perry to start like a house a fire.
In addition, Romney is so bland and non-combative for the most part that his attempts at negativity never ring true. Perry will also scorch him for his Mass health plan.




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sharp operatives. Romney could even get a two-fer, depending on how he plays it: attack Perry for his alliance of convenience with Hagee et. al. and immunize himself by so doing against the Mormon=Satanist belief system that goes hand-in-hand with the Roman Catholic=Satanist belief system. Whether Romeny or his operatives are smart enough to seize the opportunity remains to be seen. Me, I'd be using the Perry-Hagee connection to go for Perry's political jugular.

BTW: I was in the bank lobby earlier today and it had CNN on. CNN predictably was whoring Perry's announcement to no end. The news crawl at the bottom of the screen said Perry is "within 2 points" of Romney, so the Romulan had better get on it tout de suite.

with most of John Hagee's basic theology - probably more like 30% to 35%. In the South, no doubt the majority of the population would subscribe to a denomination that would at least in theory agree with most of John Hagee's basic theology. Because most of what John Hagee says is not even that controversial among a certain wing of Evangelical Protestants - a wing that comprises large portions of not only Republican voters, but independent voters and even a certain number of Democratic voters. The Democratic Party campaign operatives are simply not going to involve themselves into something that amounts to a theological argument - however ridiculous those theological beliefs may sound to those outside of those communities - communities who make up a major portion of the American electorate especially in the South, the Midwest and rural areas throughout all 50 states. I also doubt that the mainstream media will want to touch the issue very much either. I'm sorry, but attack adds like you are suggesting are simply not going to happen. It steps on too many toes.

And there is absolutely-positively no possibility whatsoever that Romney - a Mormon - would want to pick a theological fight with an Evangelical regarding their religious beliefs while contesting the Republican nomination. That would end any political viability for him, forever.

your point :) Romney need not engage Perry\Hagee in some obscure battle of theology. All Romney needs to do is use the Perry\Hagee axis to drive Perry's negatives to unacceptable levels. That's what paid ads are for and Romney certainly has the campaign chest to do it.

While taking your point about percentages, I highly doubt that 25-30% of Americans believe that Roman Catholics 'worship false idols'. Romney and\or the Dems should be able to take such hate-mongering and use it to go for Perry's political jugular.

But at least that percentage subscribe to denominations that at least in theory believes that. Just as Catholics in theory believe that the Holy Eucharist is actually and genuinely transformed into the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Fortunately there is a gap in most peoples minds between what they in theory believe and what they actually believe. In theory most Evangelicals -even the more moderate ones - even the African-American and Hispanic-American ones believe in a very precise definition of what it is that makes one a Christian. I'm sure that there would be more than just a little bit of concern that attacks on Gov. Perry's religious connections might cause significant offense. I would still predict that the Romney campaign, the Obama campaign and the mainstream media will be very reticent about directly attacking Gov. Perry in regards to what he may or may not religiously believe. That would be viewed as treading on dangerous grounds.

"Rick Perry is the second coming of George W. Bush." Maybe in the same ad, maybe in another one. The religious language is deliberate of course--and has the added virtue of being true.

people across the faith-based community. They would say that he is not the one who choose Rev. Hagee to speak and he doesn't agree with everything that all the speakers at this prayer rally believe. Besides the meeting was not political at all. It was simply a broad cross sections of people who met only for the purpose of praying for America and all Americans. Didn't you hear all the prayers for all our leaders especially President Obama? Every governor of every state was invited. This was not about Democrats or Republicans. Why are you making this into a partisan thing? God is not a Democrat or a Republican. This meeting was about people from all across the political spectrum and all walks of life praying for their country.

Well anyway, outside of some independent media, I doubt that we will hear very much about Rick Perry's crazy religious friends. If having crazy religious nuts as friends made candidates unelectable - no Republican candidate since Ronald Reagan would have been elected. For sure, Rick Perry's religious nut connections go farther than most. But still, fearing the flack they would no doubt receive - openly attacking fundamentalist Christians because of their religious beliefs is something most mainstream media is extremely hesitant to do these days.

Perry would run the risk of losing the Roman Catholic vote. Yes, there are more Protestants than Catholics in the U.S., but there are way more Catholics than there are fundy crazies.

won't/

short live, but doubt he will fade from sight quietly.

He's fluent in Jesustalk and pals around with those types because you have to if you want to get elected to a state office in Texas, but as far as really believing that stuff...?

Of course, whether he's really down with the thumpers or not isn't really relevant because he would push their agenda once in office.

I just happen to believe his lineage is from the Greedhead side of the GOP family.

They know what you just posted. That's my take on it. I think they see his danger.

And with Obama, his lack of fire will be a problem fighting and beating back an evil one like Perry.

And his fabulous legions of minimum-wage/no-benefits/dead-end jobs?

and recommend.

The establishment republicans selected him as an alternative to Willard Romney.

of that and get up my own rally soon.

Anyone have an sign ideas for these interesting times we're living in?

me of the villain in an old fashioned movie or a snake oil salesman. He's too smooth for me to believe anything he says.

Note how MSM is busy pushing the "Texas Miracle" meme today.

Perry is no more of a threat than any of the other Tea Party favorites. Yes, he'll suck in their votes, but he is not going to get support in one very critical area, namely big dollar donations, money he desperately needs to woo moderate 'Pugs and independents. The monied elite of the Republican party have shown, as they did with Palin on the ticket in '08, that they aren't going to finance such insanity. So unless he can find some money under his mattress, he won't get the monetary base he needs to win.

on the scene today.

He already has people out backing him. He is also a shapeshifter. The PTB of the Rethugs are going to go all in on him. One of their efforts will be fundraising, and the other will be spinning his persona into something palatable to the center or as close as they can get. He will dogwhistle his head off to keep the nuts in line.

Who else are they going to back. The group they have now ranges from bland to inedible. Romney would has his religion and his health care policy around his neck. People on DU can site chapter and verse about Perry. However, my point is to get to his image now before some reasonable picture is allowed to take hold in the rest of the country.

Hagee is the minor leagues. Perry is allied with Lou Engle and The Call.
Here is an article about them:
Perry, Prayer, Politics and the Presidency
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/individuals/lou-engle

Those people ought to keep you up at night.

They are also Dominionists and Christianists. Palin has links to them and so do a lot of others. Franklin Graham is a Dominionist. The military has an unknown amount of them in the ranks.
This site has a lot of info about the RW religious nuts: http://www.talk2action.org/

These are the people that Perry needs to be tied to. Rachel was talking about this. They have some scary ideas and what is scarier is that many of them are not seen in that light even if they are mainstream figures.

As far as the basic RW religious loons, meh! They don't hold a candle to this core of kooks.





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does anyone believe that this country would vote another asshole from Texas ?

Meet the 24 billionaires - 6% of the Forbes 400 richest people - who have backed him in the past.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2011/07/20/rick-perry-for-president-meet-24-billionaires-whove-backed-him/

Perry plays insane for the religious votes, but he's all about Big Bidness.

And Obama has already shown that he is amendable to the wishes of the rich and corporate. Two of Perry's donors are dead, three are in finance, always a strong Democratic supporter(so that could easily flip), and the majority are in oil, which is nothing new, a Republican specialty. Where Perry's problems lie is outside of oil/energy and outside of Texas.

I just don't see Perry as that big a threat to Obama. He's going to have to go through a contentious primary and up against an incumbent. That's never a good combination.

1-Romney won't make it because he is Mormon. It may not be uttered aloud, but the LDS are viewed with more suspicion than Catholics. He also has the Massachusetts health care plan to deal with. In addition, make an ad that somehow incorporates him tying his dog on the top of his car to travel for a vacation even if it was in a house. The last is minor, but people really relate to animals, and that wasn't the best move he ever made. Not a gaffe but a gruff.

2-Cain will never make it because of his race. That will never be said aloud either. However, if he even had a chance, that would sink him.

Scratched as I type3-Pawlenty is just plain pitiful when it comes right down to it. He has the charisma of a mushroom. He is a moderate trying to be a right winger, and it shows. He would have to catch a real case of rabies to act crazy enough for the faithful.

4-Gingrich - *snort* Yesterday's news and party.

5-Santorum- He is just plain creepy. He has little charisma and Google doesn't help him (thank you Dan Savage. He's also Catholic and that still doesn't go over real well. I'm not sure why he thinks he can win anything anymore even if he was crazy before crazy wasn't cool.

6-Huntsman - He's also Mormon and he worked for Obama. The last would kill his chances if he had every RW Nutjob credential on Earth. He went over to what they consider the dark side and is never to be trusted again.

7-Paul - He does have support because of a lot of his policies. However, he is also against being in Afghanistan. He wants to bring the military home and secure America. Hello Monroe Doctrine. That isn't bloodthirsty enough for people. He also is not real thrilled with the war on drugs. RWers love all wars. He also wants to end subsidies for oil companies. They will cut him off at the knees. He voted against the Patriot Act. That's UnAmurrican! In short, he is all over the map. He has had these issues out there for so long that they are known fairly widely.

8-Bachmann - She won't have Palin's deer in the headlights look. She has another problem entirely at times. She will not sit dumbly if asked a question, but gawd knows what she will fill it in with. Her past statements and positions can give Perry a run for his money. I just believe that Perry will overpower her. He has a huge persona that will suck a lot of air out of the room.
Make an ad with Bachmann's eyes and play this:
http://youtu.be/OMOGaugKpzs

(BTW here are the outtakes from the Newsweek cover: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/galleries/2011/08/08/michelle-bachmann-newsweek-cover-photos.html)

9-Palin isn't running. She has no campaign staff or organization. Therefore she will enter the race at some time that will be the most inappropriate and disrupting to Bachmann. She wasn't happy that Starewoman won. The media loves Palin so she will be able to make a mess of the campaign for a while even if she is bashed by some. She still has people who love her and have sworn an oath to her. Plus she can trump everybody's crazy and has been bashing all the people the RW hates for years.

10-Perry - Yes he does have a lot of negatives that have been listed by people upthread. However, why will he be run over by Obama? It's not like The President doesn't have problems himself and more can come at any moment. In addition, the PTB will back Perry IMHO because the rest of the field gives them agita. They will blast and spin a new image starting yesterday. The MSM is already swooning over him in a lot of cases.

With all this said, who the hell knows what will really happen??? There is plenty of time for unexpected events to intrude. How they are handled could end up deciding it all. ET? Is that you???





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I can see Obama getting the popular vote and a Repuke ticket winning by that Damn outmoded electoral vote.

Right now, the media is blowing him kisses. You would think he walks on water by the way they're covering him.

Hopefully the truth will come out about his true record. But we can't count on that.

As evidenced by NBC Nightly News this evening. (That's right: NBC!)

"Here, boy! Here, boy!" from just a couple of days ago.


http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/08/10/3282800/perry-speech-lays-the-planks-for.html



Mattew 7:26 quotes Jesus:

http://bible.cc/matthew/7-26.htm




Perry is the Fundy Whisperer.

He's a theocrat, and wants to destroy the US in favor of implementing a theocracy.

Repeat until everyones understands it.

Not a show with road legs.

This one is a slippery one, even with the closeted gay issue.

How is he going to explain in the Republican debates that he took more cash from the Stimulus than anyone else.

The real money in the GOP is already calling on old favors.

See Darrell Issa.

Issa rips Gov. Perry's 'Texas Miracle'

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/aug/12/issa-rips-gov-perrys-texas-miracle/

Not happening.

a metaphorical horsehead in his bed from the PTB that back Perry??? They are rich, powerful, and they don't play.





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Grits is spot on ...

EVERY stinking republican took stimulus money in one form or another and ran last fall on how big of a disaster it was, and they won a whole lot more than they lost.

This kind of shiite drives US nuts, but sadly is too many dots for the average voter to connect, ESPECIALLY when the "liberal media" does not hold them to account for it.

Sorry, people will tune into the short version, and the short version is going to be ...

He is a TOUGH JOBS CREATOR.

THAT is what the country is going to get from the "liberal media."

, not Mittens, just like Dubya was in 2000. Dubya did a MUCH better John Wayne than Al Gore did--he won.

teabaggers love both

so they must be worried.

how will Peoria and whoever else get the message about Perry?? Don't count on the MSM. They are already pushing positive things about him. How many of them are even touching his religious rally AND the people there such as Lou Engle?? People aren't going to get the message about Perry and his mess through vibrations in the atmosphere or DU.

Who is out now trying to counter those positive ideas across the nation or at least in the vital states that are prone to flip??? Obama is getting even more negative memes attached to him daily. He's velcro for them. By the time the Dems get around to shaking a stick at Perry it may be too late.

Think about the debate on healthcare. The RW was out first with a loud and incessant message about its evils. By the time the Dems tried to forcefully push back the hysterical stampede had begun.

Please read the threads posted on DU now and ask yourselves how many of them does the general public knows something about. They know more about Casey Anthony than they do those issues or Rick Perry.

We are in a hypervigilant political bubble. We pay attention to the least little wrinkle in the political spectrum. The general public sure doesn't. A lot of them don't pay attention to the bigger picture. What will sink in are the memes that are repeated over and over. Right now they could care less about Perry and religion. Most areas and people have one thing on their minds - JOBS!!!

My point is how and why do any of you think that what Perry is up to will reach the general public and stick to him before he has permanent positives around him?

The attitude of 'he not a problem' is what worries me most. We see the negatives and wonder if a snake would even vote for him. However, what ends up in the minds of the public as a whole is a different story. Did you think W would ever be elected?

The joker in the stacked deck are the voting methods. How much do you want to bet that there are shenanigans planned already in pivotal states? They won't make the mistake of relying just on something like hanging chads.

I grew up in SC and watched the vile Lee Atwater practice his dark arts before he hit the main political stage. I will never forget one of his stunts. One man had had shock treatments. Atwater went around saying he had been hooked up to jumper cables. I remember that to this day so what do you think the voters thought then? There is probably a book of his methods that is referred to and refined to this day.

I repeat, underestimate Perry at your peril. I hope I am wrong, but I don't like what I see and feel at all.

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Democratic pick is? Although Obama is doing so well for them, wish we could talk with the franchise owners and not just the manager of the place.

THAT is going to be who he is defined as, just as in 99 the moron was defined as "a guy you would like to have a beer with ..."

The Repubs took over the state in 2010 (thanks to Dems not turning out to vote)
and they are putting in the fix as fast as they can. Voting id is going to
be required...gerrymandering districts to probably change our current 7 Dems 6 Repubs
in House to 10 Repubs 3 Dems! It's awful.

However,if Perry gets the nomination we can hang those insane "religious" pastors around his neck. There should be ads running 24/7 showing the clips that Rachel and Lawrence have been showing. Hagee or whatever his name is calling Hitler a hunter sent by God; Fischer or whatever his name is saying only Christians have First Amendment rights and how Hitler found that straight soldiers wouldn't carry out atrocities but homosexual soldiers would. There are more videos of all the other lunatics. We have to drive home the message that Perry is aligned and allied with them and that they would be the driving influence in Perry's government

Gen Patreaus is going to be the GOP Nominee. The perfect blend of Pentagon and CIA.

It's a DONE DEAL. We are living in Nazi Germany.. 1936.

Kill it, bury it. President Obama is far from perfect, but he's a two termer. We need him, we all need him.

what he would do to the united states I am also of the opinion that the best way to handle him and the majority of republicans running now is to incite them to fight among themselves and let them waste their own time and money knifing each other in the back.
Done well enough the bloodshed might even continue on into the presidential elections with them willing to gut themselves leaving the democrats able to focus their energy into making more gains in congress and the senate.

His delivery reminded me of George W. Bush and his upper lip reminded me of Richard M. Nixon. Rather poor company to be associated with, I would say. He does display the Texas obnoxiousness that turns so many people outside of Texas off.

We as a nation couldn't wait to get rid of Dumbya. There is no way in hell we want Dumbya number 2.

he's going to get a lot of support from the status quo. He's a poster child for cronyism.

my stomach twists into a knot.

It's like hearing Bush II again. :puke:

He has the media machine behind him at this point, but those hands will be bitten when more is revealed about him. It's merely the honeymoon to a bad marriage that will be shortly annulled.