We need a populist, progressive Democrat in the worst way...

Someone that will stand up to the corporations.

No, hell no! You will not get any more tax breaks for taking jobs overseas. And you will pay your fair share of taxes or you will not have protection from the US government. You will be at the mercy of the country you are exploiting.

You will pay us back. Wall Street and the Big Banks have put this country into a pickle and now they want to skip out on the bill. You are not going to do that. You will pay us back. If the people must suffer from your decisions, then by God, we will make your lives as miserable as possible as well.

Revoke every trade treaty that taxes America products more than foreign products and that would be just about every one of them. They are null and void if we cannot get fair trade.

If the wealthy cannot create jobs from the $2 trillion dollars they are sitting on, then it is the responsibility of the government to create jobs for people that need them. We will not be tied to the mercies of the big corporations.

On top of that, we will bring every troop home from the shameful and unnecessary wars. Every defense contract will be looked at with a fine-tooth comb. They will be cut 50% or more, depending on the necessity. The gravy train has left the station and it ain't coming back.

There's a new sheriff in town. It is the people of the United States of America. They are tired of being screwed. Every trade on Wall Street will have a tax levied on it. The white collar robbery of the American people must cease immediately.

That is what we need in the Democratic Party. Otherwise, we will continue the slide into oblivion.

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I agree strongly with every word you've written here.

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I don't know if we can survive another 4 years of Obama.... and I'm very sorry to say that.

Some here can't handle the TRUTH I guess!

We can't keep going down this path, but the rich won't let us get off it without a fight.

international world we live in now. The b*stard "powers-that-be" have/carry a lotta influential 'swag'....

..we can do anything.

One way not to get the American people on your side is to talk "bi-partisan' bullshit and pragmatic political slogans. You have to reach in and touch their hearts. You have to wake them up with the pure emotion of the truth. We are going the wrong way.

:yourock: kentuck.

We the people have the numbers and moral authority on our side. We are the ones with the innovation who can and must think outside the box....It is the status quo perpetuating itself that resists the change that is so desperately needed -the change that we need will come from us.

The apple cart must be flipped upside down or absolutely nothing will change.

Just finished listening to an interview with Frank Scheiffer by Bob Carson and in it, describes exactly what the hell is going on in our political world.

It's sickening, frightening and will piss you off so bad your face will itch. This country needs a reboot. How it happens and who begins the process I have no clue but we can't go on like we have been.

We need a hero, one that's unafraid of telling us all like it is and what should be done to set us on the right path. The minority in this country has been allowed to cause chaos and will take the majority of us down the rabbit hole if it's not stopped.

Is it too late? :shrug:

I only see one fix and that's publicly financed elections and laws prohibiting politicians from taking jobs in industries they have passed laws for, but it's most likely not going to happen so it's back to the apple cart.

Just a matter of time until we reboot and most of those scenario's don't look good either.

A Blue Dog like Obama is probably the best the Democrats can do.

Pushing the notion we should "move to the right". Rachel is showing where the American people stand on the issues. Those positions aren't on the right side of the political spectrum.

--infrastructure in place for 2016.

Obama is a Progressive behaving in the worst way. See this is the problem with wishes. You have to be really explicit, and even then you can tripped up in the wording of things.

If the wealthy cannot create jobs from the $2 trillion dollars they are sitting on, then the Government should give them the option:

There will be a wealth tax levied through the Income Tax Code. Avoidance of the tax will come through investments in Government approved industries such as clean, renewable energy or

the Government will come and confiscate that unused money and invest it for them.

But the Democrats chose to go with the other guy :/

and we ignored him.

I'm with you, kentuck.

:thumbsup: :patriot:

The mainstream party and party leaders don't want them.

n/t

A progressive, populist President would call out corporate America for threatening our national security each time they move a factory abroad.

When the U.S. got involved in World War II, it was able to quickly transform its tremendous commercial industrial might over to a military footing, from rubber and textile mills, to steel mills, aircraft factories, and auto companies. Not only did the U.S. contribute greatly to combat manpower, but was supplying the food, raw materials, trucks, and other materiel for the war effort of the Soviets, the British, and the many, many armies in exile like the Poles, French, Greek, Dutch, etc.

Would we be able to retool our manufacturing sector today to fight a major conventional war? What if China imploded economically if the world went into a depression and their markets dried up? Already, although our media do not report on it, China is going through tremendous turbulence with food riots, demonstrations, bombings, and arrests. The wealth gap in China is widening. How would a country like China on the edge of internal revolution galvanize its public to behave and support the government? War.

After losing more than 5,000 factories in the last 10 years, I wonder if the U.S. of today could make the same type of wartime transition than the U.S. during the Roosevelt years. Could we fight a World War with our tremendous hamburger manufacturing output alone?

I remember during the first Gulf War, some commentators pointed out that not a single US aircraft could get off the ground without Japanese and Korean semiconductors.

Damn straight - a strong manufacturing base is a national security issue.

or did you not get my point last time?

if you don't have a workable plan this is nothing more than wishful thinking...oh, and pushing the illusion that it could actually happen, which some gullible people are willing to buy into, mainly because hope feels good.

but there is a reason it hasn't happened, which wishful thinking does not address.

How do wars end? How do Republicans get elected? How do diseases get cured? Because someone wants it to happen.

What is the opposite of "wishful thinking"? And how do you accomplish what you want from that?

It is about communication. It is about connecting with the people. It is about speaking truth to power.

Without that, we are left with nothing but fate and an excuse for nothing happening. We have to have a plan that is bigger than knocking on doors. It has to be a movement. We have to move people to act. No matter what your plan might be, you have to communicate it. You cannot walk up to any door like a deaf mute and expect to accomplish your plan. You must communicate it. Walking and marching by themselves accomplish nothing. There must be a reason. There must be a purpose.

Sorry to ramble but your response sounds so negative and fatalistic that fate alone will save us. We will call it "reality". We need to change reality. Hope is not a bad word even if it is used in a bad way.

Your point makes no sense to me. No matter how many times you might repeat it.

.....because you're missing it.

i don't need a philosophy lesson, you need a history lesson.

the capitalists always have another war, another scheme to steal people's money, another enactment of compulsion to tread on people's rights, another anti-truth media blitz, another way, ALWAYS, to get what they want.

then we have elections, which, historically, do nothing (see obama, 2008, e.g.) (even when you assume they are run fairly, which of course we know, they're not).

i agree that we need a movement. where's it going to come from? how are we actually going to get a significant number of true progressives elected? (and by the way, a "significant number" is A LOT, because without a lot nothing will happen.)

you know, people have been trying to get anything progressive happening for a long, long time. what's the EXACT plan? because without it, i still assert, your post is just wishful thinking, like cheerleading without a team.

the question is not, "How does anything happen?" it is "How does anything NOT happen?" Answer: like this.

I agree with you about the capitalists. Do we just resign ourselves to the fact that it is a losing battle? Do we accept that the people can never be inspired to act?

expose the democratic party as the enemy of progress and denounce all efforts to rely on it for progress.

encourage all people currently associating with the democratic party to dissociate from it, this includes all so-called progressive politicians. i say so-called because i believe any politician still associated with the democratic party is suspect of complicity, and at the very least guilty of ineptitude/incompetence (who would associate with a party that has demonstrated abject failure to address the real needs of the people over a century and has in fact contributed to those problems?).

get as many people to read "death of the liberal class" as possible.

promote prolonged mass demonstrations with radical agendas and no intention of stopping until demands are met, a la egypt.

....for a start.

now, understand, i understand this is somewhat inexact, which is holding myself to a lower standard than i was holding you. but is is somewhat more specific. it relies on raising consciousness as its fundamental strength. i believe that when enough people are conscious of the real issues and obstacles (which revolve around the misleadership and illusion-mongering of the democratic party) that things will happen in ways that we can only begin to dream of now. now is the perfect time to expose the democratic party, as it essentially exposing itself anyway, and people can see this concretely in a way they have been unable to see it before.

A politicians who could not win his seat in a blue state. Or rally democrats there after a demon governor had riled up both democrats and many republicans. Seeing the progressive crowd write makes one think that ten sentences from Feingold would have won all six seats for democrats last week in Wisconsin. Get real folks, there is no progressive that can win nationally. If you think so, explain to me how a Feingold would win North Carolina, Virginia, or West Virginia, or Florida, or further, may be take Kentucky, Georgia, or even Texas. Explain.

And he was a "socialist". Explain.

Progressives blinded themselves into thinking Obama was a progressive. May be progressives were making up for Fing things up during the 2000 election.

You are wrong in so many ways. First of all, you do nothing but damage to the Party by trying to force progressives to vote your way or the highway. You are doing very little good by calling names, blaming other Democrats, and issuing ultimatums. You might seek to resolve the differences? Otherwise, you may find yourself yelling in an empty room...

Wonderful post, kentuck!

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sw

We have to find a way to inspire the American people to move with their conscience. Like the old BeeGees song, "Words are all I have..."

The American people have been fed false frames for so long, far too many are incapable of recognizing truth from lies. But some will, and the truth will spread.

:hug:
sw

We might raise a panel -- as I've suggested in this post --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1739418

which would contact various groups --

Anti-war --

Women's groups which support ERA and Roe vs Wade -- human rights --

Health -- Nurses and Doctors who support MEDICARE FOR ALL --

Environmentalists -- from Robert Redford to Nobel scientists ---

Labor groups with a strong record of supporting unions --

Left political groups --

Hollywood liberals --

Citizen polls simply asking what liberals they would like to see run --


etal -- and just give us feedback on any liberal democrat who could run on the Dem ticket --

or any other recommendations they wanted to make --


Would be wonderful to see liberals like Daniel Ellsberg -- James Galbraith -- Wm. Greider

participating!!

that, that might be the only way to get the Democratic Party off the dime and to wake them from their catatonic state?

I have 102 votes for the idea of a panel -- and not one rec -- !!

Sure seems to be a subject some here don't want discussed!!





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And, it would be a panel which would be contacting all groups from anti-war to

nurses and doctors, environmentalists, labor, women, teachers --

Hollywood liberals -- people like Olberman, Schultz, Maddow --

just getting feed back for anyone - recommendations on a democrat/humanist to run!!

Wouldn't take very long --

I'd take any number of them whose names have already been mentioned --

Sanders, Grayson, Schultz ---

I'd love to see James Galbraith in it -- Daniel Ellsberg -- Wm. Greider!!

and, legal groups, of course, who are interested in restoring our Constitutional rights!!


We need two strong anti-war candidates -- !!!


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