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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 09:59 AM
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After Cutting Taxes For Rich People Obama Wants Unions To Sacrifice
The president was in full campaign mode yesterday finally using his bully pulpit to get his message out. And all the major news networks not only picked up his speeches live they reported on them extensively this morning. The only problem is that his message continues to be that progressive policies are in large part to blame for the problems facing this country.

During the debt ceiling debate not only did Obama refuse to take cuts to social security, medicare, and medicaid off the table his administration proudly embraced such cuts. Yesterday the president decided that in addition to attacking the programs that seniors, the sick, and the poor depend on he should also go after the middle class by attacking unions.

After being asked a question about the unions that helped him get elected in 2008 part of Obama's response was this:


I do say, though, to my friends in the public sector unions that it is important that you are on the side of reform where reform is needed. Because the truth of the matter is, is that at a time when everybody is belt-tightening, there is nothing wrong with a union saying to itself, you know what, we know budgets are hard right now. Let’s sit down and say we’re willing to negotiate so that we’re making some sacrifices to maintain the number of teachers in the classroom and keep class sizes at a reasonable level. We’re willing to make some modifications in terms of how our pension systems work so that they’re sustainable for the next generation of teachers as long as it’s a conversation, as opposed to it simply being imposed and collective bargaining rights being stripped away.

So I think it’s important -- remember we talked about shared sacrifice and burden sharing. Well, this is an area where there’s got to be burden sharing as well.


Obama added:


If a public sector employee is able to retire at 55 with 80 percent of their wages, and the average public sector employee has got a 401(k) that they’ve just seen decline by about 20 percent and they have no idea how they’re going to retire, and they’re feeling burdened by a lot of taxes and they don’t feel like the public sector employers are making any adjustments whatsoever to reflect the tough economic realities that are facing folks who are not protected, then there’s going to be a natural backlash.


I would love for the president to provide examples of these public sector employees that get to retire at 55 with 80% of their pension. Maybe part of the back lash toward public sector employees has something to do with the lies being spread? Such as the lie that they can retire at 55 with 80% of their pension?

In Obama's world he wants the unions to share in the sacrifice. But I don't think this president quite understands the concept of sharing. So far our poor and our seniors have sacrificed by taking major cuts in heating assistance, food stamps, and many other programs they count on. And now they have to have the worry of having social security and medicare cut since this administration is actively embracing such cuts. Union workers have sacrificed for years with cuts in their pay, their pensions, and their benefits. But the rich people that crashed our economy and were then bailed out by our tax dollars haven't had to sacrifice a damn thing. Their profits are at record levels and under the Obama administration they have seen their taxes get cut to historic lows.

Knowing all this the president has the nerve to suggest that unions share in the sacrifice. Maybe his new plan for 2012 is to run in the Republican primary.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:06 AM
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1. I'd like to know where are the CUTS in WH and Congressional pay and perks?
Oh yeah -- they *froze* shit for a while. That's NOT -CUTS-. They lose nothing with freezing salaries.

But the unions and seniors are seeing numbers thrown at them like a 22% CUT -- why isn't this being done with Congress first? WHY is Congress allowed to designate such huge time away from their jobs -- yet still get the same rate of pay?

Show us some REAL *Shared Sacrifice*. Chop from the TOP. FIRST. Let's see just how much waste can be culled from that bloated mess in Washington.
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Zax2me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:05 AM
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8. Freezing is not cutting?! That goes both ways.
You are 100% correct. Freezing is not cutting.
However, when a repub controlled congress over past years has frozen annual auto-increased social programs - just an increase freeze - who steps up to the podium screaming they slashed/cut/gutted now children and the elderly will die?!

So, I guess I agree with your post.
But both sides have played this game. Appears now, and at too many times, they are on the same team.
Protect us.
Screw them.

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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:16 AM
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2. About those 401ks declining by 20%...
...whose fault is that again? Could it have anything to do with banksters and speculators?

And oh by the way, why were everyone's retirement funds pushed into 401ks and the stock market in the first place? Who thought that was a good idea? (hint: Wall Street).

The ruling elites continue to manipulate the rest of us. Those 401ks are but one example, keeping the middle class (a) bought into the system (b) afraid to rock the boat lest they see their nest egg shrink. While it is true that some people win as a result of having their money in a 401k vs. a guaranteed pension, most of us would do better with the latter IMO.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:18 AM
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3. ... which sorta explains why he wasn't in WI in February ...
... he's on Walker's side.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:22 AM
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4. O's caught up in the GOP nomination excitement.
Damn, he's a hardcore campaigner. I hope he remembers to get the Dem nom too.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:37 AM
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5. This is getting so old. I listen to our
President saying that we need to look at everything. That makes sense. He has said that about everything on the table. That doesn't mean he is going to abandon the unions. He wants dialog. He wants conversation to learn what we are able to do. Some here jump at the chance to bring him down because some think he just isn't doing what some want him to do. An open mind is needed in these times. He is not perfect. I know that. He knows that. God is not running for president in 2012. He is constantly being degraded by our illustrious MEDIA. I don't believe a word they say and I try not to watch any TV news programs because they are not "news" programs. They are propaganda and so many latch on to that and continue the media's take on it. It is okay to criticize him. I've done it also, but if this constant bashing keeps up who will you vote for in 2012--Bachmann, Perry, Romney, etc. My vote is still with Pres. Obama. I am not about to vote for a Republican when I know absolutely they are the reason for our ills in the first place. I am too damn old to put up with this. I can remember when Republicans and Democrats worked together. I believe that is what Pres. Obama wants to do and he has tried.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:54 AM
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6. just get rid of fucking NAFTA. Problem solved. nt
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 10:55 AM
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7. he is getting harder to even vote for
let alone work for

maybe something good will be on tv before the nxt election......


I do anticipate that i will find a campaign to work on--just not perhaps the top of the
ticket
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 11:46 AM
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9. Touche! K&R!
This president is abominable (obaminable). I have been a loyal Democrat since JFK but I can't stomach this man any more. He's a repuke at heart
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 05:45 PM
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10. He's never been on our side and he's not even pretending anymore.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 06:09 PM
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11. Fuck you Mr. President. n/t
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 06:12 PM
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12. Unions have been giving up concessions for fucking YEARS. For him to come back and act like union
contracts are the problem is a disgrace to what the Democratic Party supposedly stands for. Shame on him. I do not support this president at all.
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badtoworse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-16-11 06:21 PM
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13. He doesn't want anymore Chris Christies
Do you?
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