If not Obama who?

I understand people are dissappointed with Obama but if not him who?

who else has a prayer of winning in 2012?

but it's not a good idea for his campaign or his supporters to rub it in. imho.

On DU, the answer is always "Dennis Kucinich". Regardless of the question.

Now what was the question again?

the Bernie Sanders postings. But, I would be okay with DK. Considering the GOP field thus far, he would probably have a pretty good shot.

...of how right they are on policy, of course. Nothing can withstand the relentless march of truth.

Isn't that how it works?

Which is the group which we now must consider (I don't think any of them will be around for the General Election except perhaps in a #2 spot) and tell me that they are not beatable by almost any Democrat.

This group of clowns and media hounds could most likely be beaten by anyone breathing.

and at this point, it won't vote for Obama.

It is always about "my wallet" and not much more.

It took you one minute to contradict yourself. Impressive.

The election is very much Obama's to lose and he can beat any of the current cast. That said, the nominee will not be from the current cast of characters, they are the media noise machine. The candidate will be the man behind the curtain and if the economy does not improve, that can and will be a problem.


So no I didn't contradict myself, but nice try a a personal swipe there...............

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or am I missing something.

The Democratic bench is much deeper than Obama Apologists would have us believe. And the time is right for a progressive.

How could it happen? If one or two progessives get in the race early, support for Pres. Obama could be exposed for what it is: A mile wide and an inch deep. Once Pres. Obama stumbles, a ground swell of traditional Democrats could soon sweep Obama into history. Or it could result in an LBJ-like late addition to a speech. "I shall not..."

don't think they have a better chance of winning than Obama does. Not one of them are stepping up out of a sense of what is right and good for the country.

As long as the Economy is like it is, what ever empty suit the Republicans run will have an advantage. That is history.

But as time passes, and if Obama's numbers continue to decline, someone may step forward. Stranger things have happened.

capable of winning in 2012"?? Go ahead, let's here 10 more besides, Sanders, Dean or Kucinich (none of which, BTW have a chance in hell of winning.)

Hell, just his name might pick up lots of votes.

I love Sheldon, but he won't run. And even if he did it would be futile. Sorry, man, "our" best bet is the guy we have. Keep pushin' him though! AND let's keep pushin' for a REAL Democratic Congress in 2012!!

give me names of dems that could actually beat a romney

You can't win if you never begin.

We've gone all in on Obama, as has the Democratic establishment. So no, we don't have any choice. That's what sucks about it.

I never thought that after 25 years of loyal, every election-straight Democratic voting, third party Nader voter chastising, and just general "work hard within the system we have" political involvement and advocacy, that in my mid 40's I'd suddenly find myself more cynical, disenchanted, and disgusted than I was in my fired up, "nothing to lose" 20's and completely inclined to say "what's the difference?!?!?!" when it comes to supporting the dem candidates, Obama in particular.

Yes, before all the apologist whiners get themselves in a snit, I'm going to vote for Obama. Again, what choice do I have? None. That's the problem.

A primary challenge might help focus the election debate on liberal issues.

I am concerned that the entire Democratic Party is losing its way.

It has just become a clone of the party of Ronald Reagan while the Republican Party has gone so far to the right as to be unhealthy.

If we organize a primary challenge, we might have a better chance of fielding a real liberal in 2016.

It's a matter of keeping our ideas out there and forming a core organization.

Right now, we traditional Democrats are being excluded from our Party.

Many of us are older and have voted Democratic all our lives. Is Obama the fruits of all our work and our contributions?

I hope not.

We want to pass our legacy on to our children, but Obama and his crowd do everything to push us out of our Party.

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Which opens up much of the right wing area they deserted for Democrats to move RIGHT in to. Which means that the left is abandoned, and the right sure as hell won't go there.

A primary would have a chance of pulling Obama and the Democrats back to the left.

What would really, and enduringly, push him leftward is a liberal Democratic Congress in a huge majority.

House and Senate seats.

My Representative is already a progressive. But I think Feinstein will be running. I would like to see a Progressive challenge to her.

someone who could come out strong in 2016 after getting this primary experience in 2012

Moore is delusional if he thinks Damon could win a vote for dogcatcher, let alone president.

Moore is a movie-maker, not a political strategist.

He sucks at one thing, and is fairly successful at the other.

traditional Democratic values and people.

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Gravel Says A Million Dollars To Challenge The President:

http://news.yahoo.com/gravel-says-million-dollars-challenge-president-234013197.html

Gravel has strong anti-war credentials. He worked to end the draft during the Vietnam War, and in 1971 he read the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional record on the floor of the Senate, then submitted the 4,100 pages of the Papers into the Congressional Record of his subcommittee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gravel#Vietnam_War.2C_the_draft.2C_and_the_Pentagon_Papersit

If people are looking for someone with a record of fighting for what he believes and against foreign occupations, then Gravel has that record. He is now 81 and sounds like grandpa, but people may want that wisdom now. If nothing else, he could get a minimum of 30% of a protest vote and serve as a stalking horse for someone else to make a late bid for the nomination. If things get worse, someone else will jump in, like RFK did in '68.