Agree or Disagree with this & Why?..."What Obama's Advisors Say About Him"...[Mother Jones Article]

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http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/08/obama-real

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Moral and Political Limbo

The Obama presidency has been characterized by a refined sense of impossibility. A kind of suffocation sets in when a man of power floats carefully clear of all unorthodox stimuli and resorts to official comforters of the sort exemplified by Panetta. As the above partial list of the saved and the sacked shows, the president lives now in a world in which he is certain never to be told he is wrong when he happens to be on the wrong track. It is a world where the unconventionality of an opinion, or the existence of a possible majority against it somewhere, counts as prima facie evidence against its soundness.

So alternative ideas vanish—along with the people who represent them. What, then, does President Obama imagine he is doing as he backs into one weak appointment after another, and purges all signs of thought and independence around him? We have a few dim clues.

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A larger hint may come from Obama's recently released National Strategy for Counterterrorism, where a sentence in the president's own voice asserts: "We face the world as it is, but we will also pursue a strategy for the world we seek." If the words "I face the world as it is" have a familiar sound, the reason is that they received a trial run in Obama's 2009 Nobel Prize speech. Those words were the bridge across which an ambivalent peacemaker walked to confront the heritage of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King with the realities of power as experienced by the leader of the only superpower in the world.

Indeed, Obama's understanding of international morality seems to be largely expressed by the proposition that "there's serious evil in the world"—a truth he confided in 2007 to the New York Times conservative columnist David Brooks, and attributed to the theologian Reinhold Niebuhr—combined with the assertion that he is ready to "face the world as it is." The world we seek is, of course, the better world of high morality. But morality, properly understood, is nothing but a framework for ideals. Once you have discharged your duty, by saying the right words for the right policies, you have to accommodate the world.

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Obama's pragmatism comes down to a series of maxims that can be relied on to ratify the existing order—any order, however recent its advent and however repulsive its effects. You must stay in power in order to go on "seeking." Therefore, in "the world as it is," you must requite evil with lesser evil. You do so to prevent your replacement by fanatics: people, for example, like those who invented the means you began by deploring but ended up adopting. Their difference from you is that they lack the vision of the seeker. Finally, in the world as it is, to retain your hold on power you must keep in place the sort of people who are normally found in places of power.

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Author Attribution:
David Bromwich writes on civil liberties and America's wars for the Huffington Post. A TomDispatch regular, as well as contributor to the New York Review of Books, his latest essay, "How Lincoln Explained Democracy," appeared recently in the Yale Review.

The flaw is that it doesn't work. What you end up doing is slowly ratcheting up the evil. This is why I don't support the idiotic 'third-way' BS.

because even they didn't know what "it" was.

We voted for Obama....

What are you trying to get across, here. I can't understand from your post? :shrug:

But I take issue with the question of "do you agree or disagree?"

Perhaps it needs to be fleshed out more

'If true, do you agree or disagree with the President?'

Which I would say 'disagree'

to hopefully ask people here on DU to read the link and the stuff I'm posting in reply.

I guess it's wishful thinking these days to ask any of us to "Discuss" anything. But, I always remember way back when I was a Newbie on DU...and had folks giving me links that educated me.

I still hope that an Informed Public is better than a CABLE BRAIN DEAD watcher who gets little or no unfiltered information and having little time away from job and family scrambles to find anything informative.

I figured the ones who seek might be here on DU so ...I do try, from time to time, to post articles that intrigue my own brains cells ...hoping I can find others to connect to.

I thought the article was an interesting read...but the SECOND HALF (for those of limited time) of the article is better than the rehash of what we already know from the first part of the article. My "Snip" is from the second half....at end of the article. I thought what he pointed out was really...kind of devastating...but a marker for his second term..or whatever comes giving the horrible politics of it all these days.

I care about DU...and all here. I don't post stuff that I think is troll and I'm not paid by anyone. These days it's hard to know.

You have to be around DU today...some sides just want to post to discredit Obama, and others post just to discredit the "professional left"

there truly is something in the GUT that those of us who've been here on DU for YEARS...YEARS...are fighting for...and it's TRUTH ...or DISCOVERY OF TRUTH...as to why we are still here with slings and arrows...because we believe in making things BETTER FOR US ALL. It seems there's a huge disagreement on both sides as to the course or the path through the thorns and weeds to get to the road that leads us to a Better Future.

That's where "I" come from being here since April or something of 2001...after STOLEN ELECTION. Just so you know.

Yes, he's not the best president we could have

But we don't get that president

We don't get FDR right now

We get Obama

And, if we want it, we get a progressive Congress

That should be the eye on the prize right now

But we have to accept the small changes...

I think of him every time I see you.

Obama is the one who made back room deals extending the tax cuts for rich --

Obama is the one pushing wars into their second decade --

Obama is the one flying drones over Pakistan --

Obama is the one who put Social Security and Medicare "on the table" --

Obama is the one who gave us Cat Food Commission and the despicable Alan Simpson --

Obama is the one who eloped into the White House with Koch Bros. DLC Rahm Emmanuel --

Biden is the one calling for an attack on Iran by Israel -- !!

Obama is the one who pushed bail outs for banks -- despite the economists advice to

nationalize them --

Obama is the one who asked for too little stimulus --desite the advice of the economists --

and then settled even for less -- and then gave BILLIONS from the stimulus to business in

lucrative new contracts -- which Rahm "crowed" about!!

On and on -- on and on -- you know the song --


None of that is Congress' doing -- it is all Obama --


Obama should be invited to step down -- now --

before he does any more damage --

Having worked in both the Public and Private sector, let me say, it's not always one person...

The nuclear war industry, for them to make more nuke warheads, while claiming this was a necessary move so he can relax while he embarks on negotiations for his "SALT" treaty, to end nuclear weaponry.

And he figures we are stupid enough to fall for all the give aways that he says he needs to do in order to negotiate.

receive.

we are going to have to Fight Hard and Long to get it. It may take a generation..

I guess that's what I'm seeing about him..

The linked article has valuable information. There's nothing in it that unfairly attacks Obama. Crap about his vacation schedule constitutes "bashing"; substantive policy disagreement does not.

I agree with you that we should want a progressive Congress. How will the information in the article affect that? Well, many of the Obama policies that are criticized from the progressive point of view are also unpopular.

Progressive Democrats running for Congress will be helped, not hurt, by making the case that "the (D) after my name doesn't mean I support the war in Afghanistan." They will be helped, not hurt, if they distance themselves from some of Obama's pro-Wall Street policies.

what you display is simply hyper-sensitivity to criticism of Obama --

without acknowledging the issues --


Time to move on -- it's over --

My job is not bash Obama or defend him

My job is to say this is not our fight

Let someone else fight this

Let us fight locally - to make sure there are progressive candidates

There are a bunch

Learn them, know them - support them

If you refuse to address the issues it's the same as --

LA, LA, LA -- I can't hear you!!

Is that what it takes these days to support Obama -- not listneing?

and there are many DU'ers who don't get credit who do work locally to work for Progressive Candidates or even Candidates who answer to Democratic Ideals we thought...BUT... our local parties get money from Presidential Politics and the money goes to people who vote with Repugs.

The best OOMPH we Activists had was with Howard Deans..DNC 50 State Stategy where we finally got money in the State Dem Parties to upgrade our Computer System with DNC funds to do a list of Dem Donors/Reliable Donors/Those who vote for President/Those Who Vote in all National/State and Local Elections on down to School Board Elections and the rest.

Before Dean our local State Dem Parties were so far behind in Tech that the computers handn't been upgraded since the very late 80's and early 90's.

I will always give Howard Dean huge Creds for flowing that money to the States. Here in NC it made a huge difference and remember that NC (Southern State) went for Obama...!

about this and that takes over.

Whose responsibility is your own honesty and understanding?

How do you decide that you had no role or whatever role you have had in the mistakes does not matter?

I really do want to know how you know these things.

their GURU.

Maybe we all out to check that book out of our Library, or get it on our Kindle or Nook...because his philosophy seems to rule our Democratic Presidents.

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in Teilhard de Chardin in works such as The Heart of Matter, which I might characterize somewhat casually as a de-limiter in its effects upon one's assumptions about a situation.

But then also, there's no assurance in that that he'd necessarily limit appropriately either.

This is why individuals need to free themselves, before they focus too much on externalities like a president.

and corporate money, etc..Supreme Court.. it becomes more and more difficult with each passing election to find a way to even look to a future? :shrug: At least it's seeming that way to some of us who are older who've been through many elections with high hopes...dashed.

This is the fruit of my own discontent, the great disconnect between words and deeds.


Here is, essentially, why Obama has often tried to emulate Reagan and never FDR. His advisers, those he trusts, are inherently opposed to the New Deal and its protections of common people.


Excellent article. Anyone who thinks about what is going on should ask why he chose these advisers, when they are, for the most part, in opposition to liberal polices and liberal agendas.

Obama, like his advisers, is a Conservative.

responsible political learning and action.

Part of the reason we are in the situation that Obama was hired to deal with, and consequently staffed himself in the manner he did, is the people's long-standing acceptance of alienation from their own powers, especially from the small things that are discounted as not worthy of their efforts so that the inertia of the big things become beyond our powers, or at least so we think, and understanding of and participation in the day-to-day responsibilities of the process are abdicated, so we end up with a bunch of people blaming others, which is to some extent valid, without accepting their own very concrete longitudinal roles in why/how the situation, including who gets hired to deal with it, is as it is.

I think Externalization is the Oppressor, or more precisely put, the degree of Externalization is the Oppressor.

Internalized personal power, a.k.a. authentic identity, seeks to nourish itself in the world, ALL WAYS, even to the extent of being able to pursue its truths free from the rewards of "success" (ask any real entrepreneur or artist about this); it is directed toward outcomes, but NOT dependent upon them, because the doing of itself is its own driver. This makes it possible to survive and live in adversity at least as a potentiality for a gestalt that can deliver truer truths than those initially imagined. The inability or unwillingness to recognize those potentialities, failure to generate alternative hypotheses, may be a factor of isolation, maybe too high of a degree of internalization and not enough externalization/relationship, in any case the failures are taken as justifications for whichever mode, external:internal, is one's preferred tendency and the cycles just keep repeating themselves through the mechanisms of self-fulfilling prophecies, until one happens somehow to become aware of, and diligent at all times about, what one is doing:not doing that causes this.

Real revolution begins with starting to free one's self from this kind of stuff.

P.S. I know the above is a bit of a conceit, but perhaps you'll humor this old hippie, since the question of how we participate in our own oppression by failing to recognize how we participate in our own oppression is a very complex one. May I refer you to Paulo Freire's amazing book on this subject, titled "Pedagogy of the Oppressed", in which he discusses internalization of the oppressor and how Freedom is a process in which one discovers one's own "true words" in one's "praxis" in a community of others doing the same work.

Satnam!

and it isn't what it was then...but there are so many similarities...but we grow older and we want so much to leave a legacy we just CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT ALL THIS IS.... THESE ENDLESS WARS! We tried to END THEM...but our neices and nephews and children and grandchildren are COMMITTED TO WAR...ENDLESS WAR!

FOR WHAT?

We can't give Damned EMPLOYMENT and have to SEND THEM ALL TO DIE IN FOREIGN LANDS...for MILITARY CONTRACTERS who have Plush Homes in Virginia and Tampa Florida (MANSIONS THEY HAVE) and so our CHILDREN AND RELATIVES DIE for THESE PEOPLE?

WHY? WHY?

Love all the VN veterans I've spoken with politically -- those who

were anti-war -- great insights into what was actually going on.

But have always been disappointed that they never got control over the

Veterans Groups -- especially those turning out paraders for Gulf War One!!


We need to turn Father's Day into an anti-war Day -- and return Mother's Day

to that original intention -- that might begin to get us somewhere other

than into department stores buying ties and perfurme!!



:hi:

that the governing class following every major US was made up of veterans of that war - the Revolution, the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea - but the governing class post-Vietnam was not significantly populated by Vietnam vets. Instead, it was largely made up of those who avoided going to war.
I think if Vietnam vets were better represented in the government, we would not have gone so quickly to war in the Middle East.” By RaleighNCDUer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1770670#1770796

he is.

REALLY turned my head around about "America"! I suppose that's one of the reasons I knew who/what Obama was from the start when that came along. He was my third choice afterall. In '04 it was Dean first for strong anti-War position and calling people to the responsibility of ongoing ACTION. DEMOCRATS took him off at the knees. Then in '08 it was Richardson first for saying to bring ALL of the troops HOME yesterday!! - Edwards second for talking about Economic Justice. And then Obama, whom I recognized in his response to the anti-War movement as not being a Liberal and at minimum more cautious than I about what needs to be done about our problems.

Except look at the huge disappointment John Kerry has now turned out to be --

DLC/New Dem/Third Way and putting SS and Medicare "on the table" -- !!


I have a lot of his anti-VN testimony written in my journals --

the masks are falling so fast it's hard to keep up with it all --


Harkin, as well!!

don't seem to have stories, books, poetry of their experiences like the vets from England and US of the Great Wars of WWI and II and followed by Korea AND Vietnam. The Civil War had it's stories, also.

Where are the Vets who saw such war who have the way to describe what they saw and experienced to the "folks back at home." There were incredible books I read growing up in the 50's and 60's of tales of all those wars by folks who experienced them. Yet, I see little from Afghanistan and Iraq and we've been in both for almost a decade? :shrug:

That's what's amazing to me. It's as if our new wars exist in silence...or vacuum...where there are no stories to be told...no movies that express the experiences and only exposures of the corruption from some who write for NYT's/WaPo or for a few other publications.

different.......

We didn't realize the long arms of Dulles and (Prescott) Bush and Hunt and Kissinger would haunt and mock us eternally.

But not before impoverishing us. The anti-war Boomers are anathema to TPTB, and we are still the enemy to be vanquished, because 58,000 dead was not enough.

Apologies -- this proceeds to a rant -- so you might want to stop at the :) -- Yikes!


:) We should have been able to end all wars and move to the 4 day 5 hour work week.

Family leave, longer vacations and universal health care. We don't get up every day

thinking about how to gain control over others for our own profit -- they do!

We had many clues that our economic system - capitalism -- was doing harm around the world.

We had many clues that our MIC/CIA were doing harmful things.

And certainly the national security state has ensured that the info was kept from us largely!!

But we knew --

We knew we should have "banned the bomb" -- we knew that using nuclear reactors to heat

water to create steam was a idiotic idea pushed by the MIC to make atomic era look less

frightening! We knew the terrible damage being done in Vietnam and we knew the truth of

Operation Phoenix not too long afterwards. We knew that Kissinger was a murderer.

Somewhere within us we knew -- but we all ignored it --


And, now we have Global Warming breathing down our necks --

and given the 50 year gap in our actually feeling the effects, we are only now

about to feel the effects of our human activity from 1960 on!! Imagine all we

did after that time!!


We've had more than 15 years of immense damage from Global Warming around the world --

which may be one reason we've have this elite rush for the gold and for pension funds?

Tremendous losses -- if we could even begin to estimate damage in Japan -- which is

international -- it's $300 billion so far -- a farce, but that's the working figure!!

The intervening years taught some of those, then, a thing or 2 about endurance.

I also learn a GREAT deal from my daughter (and her community) who is an independent business woman/artist, successful through thick and through thin for going on 15 years now.

Community, your OWN community, is extremely important, anything less than your own personal community can be parasitic. This is one of the reasons that DOMA is so hideous.

profoundly fundamental way.

..in the end..they come back to be repeated or enlarged.......:-( If only we could learn from our past mistakes..history.

protest in DC. If you can afford to go and stay you are part of it. If you can afford to donate you are part of it. I would like to see a way for all of us to be part of it. Black bands as mentioned above come to mind.

Small things can be very important.

taken to wearing peace symbols quite a bit. There's a bunch of them around here and they are powerful people because they grow food and the last few years, every time I see a kind of older conservative looking type person wearing a peace symbol, I know it's a Mennonite.

I keep my peace symbol outside my shirt and I will never stop wearing it.

I fucking HATE what these wars have done to us and to the Iraqis and Afghans et al.

Small things, especially people actually speaking to one another, which I encounter mention of more frequently out there in my community, are just incredibly powerful. I'm hoping that the internet stuff is starting, through the agency of groups like MoveOn and The Coffee Party, to transplant itself into the rest of our world!!

in Tampa and Virgina say you aren't good enough. They need people from overseas they give them HB1 visa bring them over here give them training them,give them jobs and housing and they probably are living better than you. Bloomberg says we need more because you aren't good enough..

the call centers are mostly GONE.

I have been experiencing an increased rate of door-to-door sales this year.

Contractor Dollars Spawn Neighborhood of Lobbyists

By ANNIE GOWEN, The Washington Post
August 16, 2011

Millions of dollars worth of federal contracts transformed Anita Talwar from a government accounting clerk into a wealthy woman — one who can afford a $2.8 million home in the Washington suburbs with its own elevator, wine cellar and Swarovski crystal chandeliers.

Talwar, a 59-year-old immigrant from India, had no idea that she and her husband would amass a small fortune when she launched a company providing tech support to the federal government in 1987. But she shrewdly took advantage of programs for minority-owned small businesses and rode a boom in federal contracting.

By the time Talwar sold Advanced Management Technology in 2004, it had grown from a one-woman shop to a company with more than 350 employees and $100 million in annual revenue — all of it from government contracts.

Talwar’s success — and that of hundreds of other contractors like her — is a key factor driving the explosion of the region’s wealth over the last two decades. It also has exacerbated the gap between high- and low-wage workers, which is wider in the D.C. area than almost anywhere else in the United States.

Washingtonians now enjoy the highest median household income of any metropolitan area in the country, and five of the top 10 jurisdictions in America — Loudoun, Howard and Fairfax counties, and Falls Church and Fairfax City — are here, census data shows.

The signs of that wealth are on display all over, from the string of luxury boutiques such as Gucci and Tory Burch opening at Tysons Galleria to the $15 cocktails served over artisanal ice at the W Hotel in the District to the ever-larger houses rising off River Road in Potomac.

MORE AT.........
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/08/16/WP-Contractor-Dollars-Spawn-Neighborhood-ofl-Lobbyists.aspx#page1

The world we seek is, of course, the better world of high morality. But morality, properly understood, is nothing but a framework for ideals. Once you have discharged your duty, by saying the right words for the right policies, you have to accommodate the world.

I certainly see nothing moral about Obama -- in fact I think he is highly immoral --

and what, may I ask, are Obama's ideals other than screwing the public for the benefit

of corporations?

"Accommodate the world" -- I think he means the world of elites/MIC/warmakers -- wiretapping/

drones --


I really have always had a low tolerance for Obama -- but took everyone else at their word

that he was WONDERFUL --!! OK -- but now I follow my own instincts and it's to stay as far

away as possible from anything Obama -- and, yes, I can even risist the cute pictures!!! :eyes:


If Obama was in any sense "moral" we would be hearing daily about the suffering in the world --

including our own homeless, and the hungry children -- about the unemployed and the need to

tax the rich to right all of these wrongs --



There is only SILENCE from Obama on these issues because he is simply another puppet for

corporate/elites -- !!

that it ends up in us seeking and seeking because the disconnect is so strong we just can't understand it. I'm trying to understand it myself. It ain't easy...given that we were ACTIVISTS for CHANGE here on DU...some of us since "Stolen Election 2000...!

Corporate/elites are moving ever faster to cash in whatever they can get their hands on --

while the barriers are super low to hold them accountable in any way --

I'm guessing this is connected to Global Warming which is with us now and breathing down our necks.

Taxpayers/pension funds are obviously paying for the GW damage all over the world in last 15 years.

And that damage and loss of life is only going to increase --

so will the opportunity for even more totalitarian rule --

This isn't going to end with elites destroying Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid --

they want it all --



Capitalism is suicidal -- and Dr. Strangelove is taking control over us!!

:hi:

I think we have to keep working against it all, though. What else is worth doing? Trying to fix things ...it's what some still hope to do. But, yeah...sometimes it does seem overwhelming the powers that are against any change from the hell bent trajectory of destruction of everything that some/many in power seem to be on.

and certainly we do have to keep working against it all --

It's very difficult for sane people to understand how capitalism is so suicidal --

but it is --

Few of us get up every morning thinking about how we can gain control over others --

but they do --

Money is power -- power over others -- we really need a way to uninvent the dollar bill --

but certainly to stop allowing everything to be judged by the yardstick of a dollar bill.


One of the major concerns I have re Global Warming is that we have 103 nuclear reactors

here in US -- takes 6 months to properly such one down and not sure if that includes

WASTE disposal -- ?

Fukushima plants are a different design and require 1 year to properly shut down and don't

know either if that includes their WASTE.

Aside from this being one of the most ridiculous outcomes of the atomic era pushed by the

MIC -- i.e., using nuclear power to heat water to create steam -- it is one of the most

dangerous ideas ever brought to our communities!!

As Global Warming begins to accelerate even faster and further, closing down these nuclear

reactors will become urgent -- the difference perhaps between "a whimper and a bang."




:(

What you say:

Few of us get up every morning thinking about how we can gain control over others --

but they do --

Money is power -- power over others -- we really need a way to uninvent the dollar bill --

but certainly to stop allowing everything to be judged by the yardstick of a dollar bill.


AND...

Have your concerns over our Nuclear Program and if Obama will change his position on it.

:-(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1768462

VERY good article - thanks to both of you for posting it! :-)

and surrounded by advisors and appointments counter to the interests of the People of the USA and the rhetoric of Candidate Obama.

Lacking in integrity counts big. POTUS Obama is not stupid. I bought the 2008 Obama PR. I would never vote for HRC nor GOP in any election.

The GOP did not even try in 2008 with McCain and Palin.

POTUS Obama and associated neoliberals lost the 2010 midterms (not because of steadfast Democratic Party members and consistent Democratic voters of decades like me) but because the young, minority, new, and crossover voters of 2008 had evaporated for cause.

IMHO POTUS Obama should pull an LBJ ASAP because the Democratic POTUS candidate will win in 2012 but POTUS Obama is a risk.

POTUS Obama could likely lose 2012 and his coat tails give GOP (and GOP nut cases) control of the WH and Congress in 2013.

these days. Ever think to see some Dem or Repug Operative on CNN/FAUX/MSNBC/CNBC/NBC/CBS/ABC ...EVER ask about INTEGRITY?

It's an old word from another era...gone out of favor. Greed, Avarice, Self Worth and allowing Banksters and Deregulation of our Financial System Protections seem to be the priorities over "Integrity, Honor, Law."

My vote is sacred, and I only get to cast it once. I don't feel good casting it for a man I have absolutely no respect for.